Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 ...my 'ss, that is:<br><br><center><imgsrc="http://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/4552482-lg.jpg"></img><br>Summicron 50 rigid+ 12538 hood</center> <br>No, no, not another Leica bashing. I know that old coating and sun isprobably not a good idea. My question is: if I use a ND filter in similarsituations, will the chances of flare be reduced? Any other suggestions forreducing flare? TIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof-K Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 "Any other suggestions for reducing flare?"<br><br>I mean: Any other suggestions for reducing flare, given that I'll be using the same lens, and probably not quite stopped down (maybe at f/2.8)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_c1 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Use a pinhole lens or camera if you must shoot the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_leong_lee Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 ND filters don't solve flare problems, it just gives you a lower shutter speed. The good ones don't do anything to the light at all except pass it thru, so the light that passes through will still take the same path through your lens elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <p> Smaller aperture, expose for a meter reading taken just adjacent to (but not including) the sun. </p> <p> Getting your subject's face exposed properly would be a problem only solved with a little flash but that is problematic with Leica's 1/50th sec flash synch. </p> <p> Wait until the sun is behind at least a little cloud, even if thin cloud. </p> <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/20/73481436_c0b2bfbbd8.jpg" width="347" height="500" alt="Sailing by" /></a> | <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/47/136831677_18d9383532.jpg" width="329" height="500" alt="Solent Sky 2" /></a> | <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/49/147514149_bf61fe32d8.jpg" width="334" height="500" alt="Last flight" /></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <p> Maybe forget trying to take snaps of people into the sun and make the most of the distance subject instead (in your case the bridge/sunset... </p> <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/50/129065082_5a725c8fa2.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Solent Sky" /></a> | <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/43/110472470_6279a3942b.jpg" width="346" height="500" alt="" /></a> <p> And flare still happens sometimes! </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <p> Have something between you and the sun... </p> <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/20/73151541_e1232087a1.jpg" width="335" height="500" alt="Solent sky" /></a> | <a href=" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/50/152467591_3a417d4691.jpg" width="337" height="500" alt="Bandstand" /></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyaitken Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Stunning pix Trev! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjords Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Beautiful, Mr. Hare:)<p><center><img src="http://gallery.photo.net/photo/3678472- lg.jpg"></center><center>Shakil; try a Noctilux in such situations</center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Thankyou Mr Doane. Can you tell me how your foreground subjects were so well lit? (Was there a floodlight behind you?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Nice B***h as well Mr Doane :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Oops I mean Bokeh of course. (Just realised those asterisks are ambiguous and could seem derogatory to the ladyfolk. Sorry!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy. Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <P>Get yourself a flash. When shooting at the sun as in your photo, a fill-flash is a must to avoid flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjords Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Correct, Mr. Hare, and yes Very amiable bokeh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry_rory Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Good advice sandy but would Shakil have problems with the wider apertures (and direct sunlight) to keep that shutter speed down to 1/50th (Leica M sych speed) in the conditions we see in his pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristian dowling Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 John Doane, no offense, but it looks like there was a bit of camera shake in that image, so probably not the best example to post.....any similar with a sharper image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_c._turner Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Could you move a little to the left or right? I think when I see flare, it usually seems to be on an axis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socke Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Many people tell me what can be shot and what not, then the Men in Black flash me and I have to learn it again.<br><br> <img src="http://www.hett.org/files/0001/MiB-madrid0600.jpg"><br> Contax G2, Planar 45, Sensia 100, Madrid, Parque de Retiro, April 2006.<br> I must have been there, but I can't remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_neuthaler Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Trevor, you do your best work at night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristian dowling Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Paul, from my interpretation, most of Trevor's shots where not taken at night, rather in the afternoon, early evening, and exposing for the highlights, giving you the impression of low light. Most exposure could have been something like ISO 100 1/250sec at f/11, or something like that.....am I far off the mark Trevor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_graham3 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 "I know that old coating and sun is probably not a good idea." If you insist on taking that kind of shot then maybe trading for a newer lens with modern and unscratched coating wouldn't be a bad idea. But I wouldn't mourn that shot because even if the flare hadn't ruined it it appears your exposure would've put the subject's face completely in shadow. Yeah the Leica's wimpy sync speed is a PITA, you could carry one of those 12" folding reflectors in your bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I would second some of the useful tips that Sandy and John G and others posted. To summarise: 1. You need additional light to light your subjects. 2. Use a better lens with low flare. Take a look at this example: http://www.photo.net/photo/4113072 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_m__toronto_ Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 adding ND or any other surfaces of glass in front of your lens will not reduce the chances of flare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john sypal Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Shakil, how about just enjoying the photograph for how it looks and how it works- and from there work on your own possible interpretations for it? I do not see any problem with it, and instead think this picture with the flare right on the face is something absolutely wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_s. Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 <i>Iknow that old coating and sun is probably not a good idea. </i><br><br>Very good result, "old coating" or not. You will have dificulties tofind modern lens, which perform better, shows no ghost images (thelight circles) or have less flare than your lens.<br><br>If you are still disapointed, don´t forget the sunis to bright to make a photo of it (or to look at it).<br><br><i>if I use a ND filter in similarsituations, will the chances of flare be reduced?</i><br><br>No, more flare is likely, because of additional glass.<br><br><i>Kristian Dowling wrote:<br>Paul, from my interpretation, most of Trevor's shots where not taken atnight, rather in the afternoon, early evening, and exposing for thehighlights, giving you the impression of low light. </i><br><br>Among french filmmaker this is called, AFAIK, "la nuit americane" .It´s refers to the habit of old Hollywood to shoot outdoornight scenes at day, underexposed and with a blue filter added.<br><br><br>BTW Trevor the pictures are realy cool.<br><br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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