ava_siena Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I know that my 350D has 1.6 crop factor, but when using EF-S lenses does it have the same perspective as a EF x 1.6. People say a good portrait lens is from 80mm - 200mm, so I've heard. But sticking, say 50mm - 125mm lense on my 350D will give me a zoom/crop factor of 1.6 so it will be equivalent to 80mm - 200mm, in terms of image size only and NOT perspective. I was wondering if EF-S lenses are the same, or due to their different construction they will give a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_davison Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Yes. 17mm on a 17-40 has the same focal length, view angle and thus perspective as the 17-85 IS (for example). The difference between the two is that the 17-40 is designed to make an imaging circle for a 35mm frame, whereas the 17-85 only makes an APS-C sized image circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Perspective is determined solely by the distance between you and the subject. No lens has a perspective or an influence on perspective. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 What Jeff said. That being said, on a given camera, to achieve a given magnification relative to the frame size, all lenses with the same focal length will require the same focusing distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ava_siena Posted January 29, 2006 Author Share Posted January 29, 2006 Thanks for replies. That answers it. I have seen people, on deciding which is a good portrait lens to get, factor in 1.6 crop. If you choose a 100mm lens to flatten the image, why should the crop factor matter? You are choosing the portrait lens for its perspective are you not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_chappell Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 The field of view is the same for a given focal length (on a given camera) regardless if the lens is EF or EF-S. However, a given focal length will have a narrower field of view on an APS format camera (1.6 "crop factor") than on a full-frame camera. As Jeff says, perspective is independent of focal length -- it's just a function of subject distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 You don't seem to be getting it. There is no influence of the lens on perspective. Where you plant your feet (or your camera) relative to the subject determines perspective. Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_jones2 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Camera position controls perspective. Focal length controls magnification. Format controls field of view at that magnification. (Courtesy Rick Denney, I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanphysics Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Jeff is correct. However, with a 50mm lens, assuming the same framing, you will need to back up to get the subject in the frame. Backing up compresses the perspective. Hence a 50mm lens compresses the perspective, if you want to see it that way, the same as an 80mm lens on a full frame camera. It has nothing to do with optics and everything to do with where you put your feat. However, using a smaller chip makes you move your feet back the same as using a longer lens does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Jeff is correct indeed, at least technically. However, most people think about framing as the primary parameter, with camera position being secondary. Think of how many people think that "zooming in" allows to "get closer" (you don't move while zooming, and using a longer focal length, if anything, allows to be further away for a given framing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_ziegler2 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This link provides some good background on the subject. http://www.phototakers.com/forum/ftopic36480.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timarmes Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 <p>Hi, <p>Your question's been answered, but I'm not sure that it's been answered clearly, and this is shown by your response: <p><quote>"I have seen people, on deciding which is a good portrait lens to get, *factor in 1.6 crop. If you choose a 100mm lens to flatten the image, why should the crop factor matter? You are choosing the portrait lens for its perspective are you not?"</quote> <p>You haven't understood. To answer your question: <p> <ol> <li> Perspective is determined by subject distance, not the lens used. <li> An 80mm lens is typically used in 35mm portrait photography since the subject/camera distance for head-shot framing that the 80mm imposes creates a pleasing amount of perspective (features aren't disorted yet they're not too compressed either) <li> To retain this same distance, and thus perspective, with a 1.6 crop factor, you'll need to use a 50mm lens. </ol> <p>Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ava_siena Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 Thanks for all the extended answers. They help alot in explaining the principle behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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