Looking for a cheaper full frame DSLR body

I cannot afford to buy the 5D as it is quite expensive to me. Guys,

do you think that Canon will produce cheaper full-frame DSLR body in

the very near future? (say by middle of next year). What is the

trend?

No

Who knows but I bet a used 1Ds will fall below the 5D's price soon. Also Kodak discontinued their (Canon mount) FF DSLRs and the price may fall on those as well before Canon releases a cheaper FF camera than the 5D. Be patient - A year ago I wouldn't have thought Canon would have the 5D out for the price they do. And Nikon owners are (so far) out of luck entirely. (Well, except for the Kodak that's been discontinued)

hmm I wonder... what I miss the most is the DOF or rather, lack of, in FF.<BR><BR>I betcha that can be recreated digitally in camera.<BR><BR>If they could do that I'd stay with the cropped format.<BR><BR>In other words, keep the person in focus and the background go soft, like doing headnshoulder portraits with a 50mm wide open in FF.<BR><BR>I am aware this is a bad scan but it shows what I'm talkin' bout, really well.<BR><BR>50mm wide open in FF<BR><BR><BR><img src="http://www.solomodels.com/smgallery/13745/l/6117.jpg"/><BR><BR>

C'mon dude. The 5D just came out. Why would they do that? I don't wanna pay $3200 either, but I'm gonna. Have to pay to play.

If you wait 3-5 more years, then I'm guessing that there will be a cheaper FF body available.

Peter , what are the reasons you want FF, perhaps one can achieve them using a cropped sensor?

I want to buy the FF because I need wide angle shooting without worrying the cropping factor. For example, 17-40 will become true 17mm wide.

The 5D is a luxury item only a fraction of Photo enthusiasts can enjoy. It's only a matter of time before Canon introduces a cheaper version of a full frame SLR. The cost may boil down to the cost of the Chipset and not Canon itself. With improved technologies every few months, it won't be long before semiconductor manufacturers produce lower cost alternatives. Compare this to how the PC has evolved.

 

If Canon does not provide alternatives, it will lose out to competition from other manufacturers. I am hoping for a full frame SLR for about $1500 in the next two years. Also, the 5D will not be able to sustain the high retail value of $3200 for long.

 

The future of SLR digital photography is Full frame SLRs and that's heartening.

Guys, my problem now is that I need to do a lot of landscape shooting using wide angle lens. I own a Nikon D70 and am planning to buy a Canon FF because Nikon does not have any FF yet. Also, the Canon 17-40 or 16-35 is a better choice than Nikon 17-55. However, the Canon 5D is expensive. What are my choices now?

End of the day, I might need to buy the Nikon 12-24mm. Can anyone give me any advice?

How about the EF-S 10-22 on a non-full frame Canon?

Only if you like soft corners. There is a heap of discussion on wide angle at Wetpixel since

the underwater guys who shoot wide angle are doubly troubled due to the crop and the

magnification of the H2O. The general consensus is that the Nikon WA stuff is better than

Canon's on cropped sensors but if you have $50 you can get an adapter to use Nikon lenses

(God forbid) on the Canon bodies.

 

BIll

get a 20D and a photo-stitch software

Why would anyone buy the Nikon 12-24 f/4 when Tokina has a perfectly good 12-24 f/4 for half the money that gets better reviews?

 

Until FF cameras get down to where you & I can afford them, just use a lens that's wide on the small frame camera. Since this will probably be *10 MORE YEARS* you can consider it a good $500 investment. :^)

What if a FF high megapixel, quality dslr is never 500 dollars in todays money?

I have been very impressed with the performance of my 10~22 on the 20D, corners and all - no softer than zooms with comparable angle of view on FF. Only significant defect is a bit of CA easily fixed in PTLens or whatever. I am fast coming to the conclusion that what I need from Canon is a pro-quality 1.6-factor body (I came to the 20D from a -1V), not a consumer FF with a disproportionate amount of the cost associated with the sensor. Sadly, it may be a long wait. I am not about to change brands, but I can see the attractions of the D2X.

keep looking, no such thing as a good cheap camera, unless you buy an old one. New things cost more. Duh.

At present, I would not suggest that established users (ie with FF glass) swap brands to get FF, unless they need it urgently. I think Nikon will come to the FF party fairly soon ?within a year. No point ditching all that Nikkor unnecessarily! However, APS-C users are not tied down in the same way, so it would be entirely reasonable to ditch the D70 for the 5D if you can afford it. The next question is, when and how will Canon bring FF to the prosumer/advanced amateur ranges? Personally, I think it would be logical for the 20D and 5D lines to merge - not in the next generation, but the one after ie the 20D's replacement's replacement. Makes sense, as the 5D feature set is not that far above the 20D's apart, of course, from the very significant one of FF. Canon will probably introduce a new model (?3D) to supplant the 5D pricewise, with more pro-features. So, IF this is all correct, you might expect a FF 20D/5D equivalent in about 2 years at a similar price point to the current 20D. Then everyone will be happy!

PS as far as I know an EF-S lens (10-22mm) will not fit on a FF (only EF types)

You may want to consider the sigma 10-20 on a 1.6x canon DSLR or even your D70, a lot cheaper than canon's 10-22 and much much cheaper than jumping to canon. Canon's wide angle lenses are not as good as the nikons. I haven't seen anything in the canon camp which equals the nikkor 17-35/2.8. It is an absolutely superb lens.

>>It's only a matter of time before Canon introduces a cheaper version of a full frame SLR<<

 

A lot of things in life are a "matter of time" however, you will NOT see a cheaper FF EOS camera for at least 3 years.

 

>>Guys, my problem now is that I need to do a lot of landscape shooting using wide angle lens.<<

 

If you *need* to I assume those are paid assignments, and a lot of them, as you said. In that case the 5D will pay for itself in less than a month. Depending on what your rates are.

 

If by "need" you mean you "want" then, I can't help you there...but, I do know the feeling :)

Sorry Pete, Canons 1 series of cameras are IMHO hands down better than the 5D. Check the

stats! Even the 8.2-MP. 1D Mark-2, can do twice what the 5D can, even with it's 1.3

mag.sensor. So don't expect there prices to drop much more than thay already have. All the

luck -j-

The 5D is very inexpensive IF you shoot a lot. Given the cost of film and processing, the 5D is a great bargain by comparison. It's just that instead of paying a little for the camera, and then getting nickel and dimed to death over the next several years for film, you're paying everything all at once. Looked at that way, it's hard to see the 5D as being expensive.

"Given the cost of film and processing, the 5D is a great bargain by comparison."

 

I told myself the same thing last time I bought a DSLR. I used to shoot 50-75 rolls of chromes per year (about $700 per year). Now I print more huge enlargements than never before, not to mention mats and frames. I also spend more on lenses, computers, HDs, monitors and software. I didn't save a cent but, instead, spent way more. But ain't it fun and fun costs piles of money.

"Guys, my problem now is that I need to do a lot of landscape shooting using wide angle lens. I own a Nikon D70 and am planning to buy a Canon FF because Nikon does not have any FF yet. Also, the Canon 17-40 or 16-35 is a better choice than Nikon 17-55. However, the Canon 5D is expensive. What are my choices now? End of the day, I might need to buy the Nikon 12-24mm. Can anyone give me any advice?"

 

You have a D70 and want a wide angle landscape lens - get a Nikon or Tokina 12-24 for $500-900, and you're done. I have the D70 and Nikon 12-24 combo, and it works splendidly. You're correct that the 5D costs quite a lot more, and no, there won't be a cheaper FF-DSLR for quite a while.

 

However are you comparing the 17-55 on APS-C to the 16-35/17-40 on FF? Those are very different lenses with very different applications. The 17-55 on APS-C is a 25.5mm equivalent, hardly the ultra-wide you claim to want. It's a pro level event lens, not a wide angle zoom.

 

Just get the Tokina 12-24 and see if it works for you.