richard jepsen Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The Konica RF has great features like mid roll change capability and an easier view of the 35mm frame vs a .72 M6. Additionally, reported lens quality equals the best Mandler designs. Does anyone prefer the Konica to a M? Has anyone switched to Konica and come back to Leica? I've read Danta Stella's site http://www.dantestella.com/technical/hexarrf.html and I understand there are no back focus issues using Konica's lenses. I'm interested in your experiences with the Konica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The Konica is basically an M6 with motor drive and aperture priority. And they are going for a song at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry_lehrer Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Richard,-- Answer this one ,please... If the Konica RF is so good and so cheap and made by a multi billion dollar company, why is it losing out to an archaic manual camera made by a struggling German company that was a few steps from bankruptcy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_piper2 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Never 'switched' - but owned 3 different Konica RFs in addition to my Leica Ms. Bodies only - never needed any of the lenses since I already had those focal lengths. I really liked the concept, and most of the execution (which is why I kept buying them). Had fun using the 1/4000th sec to shoot in sunlight at wide apertures for shallow DOF. Liked the 35 framelines, which, since the meter readout is on the side, do not have a gap in them like the metered Leicas do -in addition to being easier to see. Liked being able to use a 24 (and in a pinch a 21) without needing an accesory finder by just framing with the "whole viewfinder" area. Autoexposure was good, although biased toward color negs (overexposure as the default bias). HOWEVER... The 'back focus issues' may have been mythical - but I had a lot of trouble focusing longer lenses (90 f/2, 135) - which is why I kept selling them. The deal was that the viewfinder optics are such that the two rangefinder images were always wobbling around a bit relative to one another. It was never possible to tell if the images were aligned because the lens was focused correctly - or simply because my eye was a bit off-center. I also could not mount my 90 f/2.8 without a monkey wrench. Don't know why it was so stiff - it mounts fine on any Leica body I've tried. The motor sound is irritating in single-frame mode - sort of a Woody Woodpecker sound "aaah-AAAH-aaah!" Quieter and less obnoxious in continuous mode, but you have to lift your finger fast to avoid multiple shots. It occasionally had shutter lag if the meter was 'sleeping' - see a moment happening, snap the camera to your eye, hit the button, and..."Huh? Whaa..? Oh - yeah - PICTURE! Click!" - about 1 second after the moment had vanished. Ultimately these things meant I could only use it reliably with lenses 50mm and wider - which was too limiting for my work. If you can live with lenses 50 and wider - or if you do not wear glasses, so that your eye can be right up against the viewfinder eyepiece - which reduces the RF "wobble" - the Konica is a nice little machine. I'm looking forward to getting back some of its features (high shutter speeds, motor cocking) - along with the Leica-quality RF optics it lacked - in the digital rangefinder Leica is introducing this fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_piper2 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Jerry - you BAD boy! 8^) K-M bailed on consumer cameras because it had more profitable business lines to pursue. It was hardly driven from the battlefield by l'il old Leica alone - I think Canon and Nikon had something to do with it. Leica keeps building cameras and lenses because the alternative is to become a niche binocular maker. The good news is that with majority owners (ACM and Hermes) who care about product as well as profit, and with an entire new management willing to move with the times, Leica may get out of the woods soon (but they ain't there yet!) Richard: Just for the record, I've swapped rolls of film mid-roll in Leica M cameras many times. I wouldn't count that as a unique feature to the Hexar RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeri leibovits Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 The Konica Hexar RF is by far the best friendly user rangefinder camera that I ever have. I'm using that camera for more than 4 long years, without malfunctions, and with the company of various lenses from different manufacturers. Thaw I like my RF by hart, I'm still not reedy to depart my old trusty M's... Anyway, those days I'm relaying more and more on my digital rig. As you know, wan it's come to Income; the digital is the only player in town.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattalofs Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 <p>I've got two Hexar RF's. The only reason I'd buy a leica body at this point is to get a higher mag vf. I think the Hexar's have superior ergonomics. If you are interested, I've recently put a review of it up on my website: <a href="http://www.1point4photography.com/hexarrf.php">Hexar RF review</a> <p>As Andy pointed out, eye alignment is crucial. It hasn't cost me any shots, but perhaps that's because I'm left eyed and mash the camera right up against my face. <p>I've never experienced anything like the shutter delay Andy describes. I never bother to turn mine off on purpse, so perhaps that's the difference; even with the power always on, you get about 9 months off the batteries. The only times I've lost shots because of the camera were due to the on/off switch getting bumped around, occasionaly ending up in either off or self timer position. I've now trained myself to feel for the switch position as I'm bringing the camera up to my eye.<br><br> <center> <img src="http://www.1point4photography.com/images/02700035.jpg"><br>hexar rf, 50 hexanon, HP5+ </center> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aizan_sasayama Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 in this case, i would choose according to viewfinder magnification. if we were talking about a .58 m6/mp/m7, the choice would mostly depend on how much money you wanted to spend...and whether the motor wind offends your sense of aesthetics! as it stands, i have a hexar rf and would like a .72 m7 for a second body, and maaaaaybe a .85 m7 for a third. it's easy to tell if your eye is not centered: look at the rf spot. if the edges are faded, you're off. maybe i'm unique in being able to center the viewfinder without thought. =O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry_szarek Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I have the RF and a M4-P, when I take a film camera it's the RF. It was a great idea, now that Sony own's the works for this camera, MAYBE we can expect a digital version, since they already have the electronics, the metal shutter and the motor drive worked out. Gerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_richardson Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I had a Hexar RF and I switched to an M7. I did not like the low VF magnification of the Hexar, and I did not like the exposures I was getting with it. It was more unpredictable in terms of what exact exposure it would give me as compared to my MP, so I figured by going to an M7, which has the same meter as the MP, I would get better results. I did. I had no focusing issues with the Hexar RF, not even with the 75mm f/1.4 or 135mm f/4. I did not really like the viewfinder shutter speed and metering display...I like it much better in the M7. In the Hexar I found it would often become invisible. The sound of the motor also drove me a bit crazy. <P>All that said, the Hexar is a superb camera and if you want its blend of features or the cost savings are very important to you, I think you would be really happy with one. The lenses are also superb. I find more Leicas more enjoyable to work with, but I don't think they are dramatically better...and they are worse in some ways (top shutter speed, built in motor etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joop Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I used the hexarRF for 4 years, unfortunately it has been in repair for the last year.It's been away for repair since september 2005. It didn't help that first konica merged with Minolta, 3 years ago the Konica-service (here in the Netherlands) was great, when I once dropped the hexar on a marble floor. Since my camera is away for repair, Sony took over the photo-business of konica-minolta. Now the service is crap. The experts from konica are no longer working on the repair, I twice got the camera back, but both times it didn't work and it had to be sent back. I'm seriously thinking of getting a M7 for the times I want the automatic camera. I did like the hexar a lot. I used to get perfect exposed slides with the hexar. I have the hexanons 50 and 90, very good lenses and leica 35/2 and CV 25/4 and 15mm. Never saw anything of the back-focus issues. I do agree with Andy that the RF image overlap changes when you move your eye behind the finder. So for critical focussing always check that your eye is in the centre behind the finder. I think many people confuse this difficulty (mainly with longer focal-length lenses) with the backfocus issue. If you can get a camera for a good price and you think you need the auto-exposure, you should go for it, but keep in mind for repair issues you are depending on the company that took over the bunch from konica minolta, and -as it seems to me- doesn't have a lot of expertice, while a leica can be repaired anywhere by -almost- any reliable camera repair person. I still have to see when I get my camera back. For more info on the RF have a look at the hexarRF user-group at yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hexarRF/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__jon__ Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 >Stuart Richardson , jul 16, 2006; 07:49 a.m. I bought Stuart's Hexar from him--I love it. I wanted an M-mount body with a faster shutter and a lower mag. viewfinder for wide lenses. I have a collimation bench at work and none of my Leica lenses have a back focus problem. After trying an M-motor on my Leica--with its weight, noise, and slow speed, I really appreciate the Hexar. I sold the motor. I haven't noticed any of the exposure problems that Stuart did, and I don't have any problem with the readouts in the VF. It is nice for me when I'm going from a dark subway into bright sunlight with fast film, where with my Leica body I would have to use an ND filter to deal with the slow top shutter speed. I have a .85 VF Leica body, and the pair makes a nice set. You really should try them both out to see what you like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrivers Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I have a Hexar RF and it performs well, but it is a tool with very specific advantages. I never use lenses longer than 50mm, because it is most similar to a 0.58 viewfinder Leica, not a 0.72. I sold my 0.58 because I grabbed the Hexar first when I wanted one camera and lens. I have had great results with my 28mm, or 35mm lens on this camera. As mentioned, in a pinch I also place a 24mm with out finder, or a 50mm lens on, but lower mag viewfinders don't focus as crisply as higher mag for longer lenses. I have a 0.72 M7, and 0.85 M6, and prefer those bodies to use 50, 75, 90, or 135mm optics. OTOH, with a 28 mm or 35 mm this is a great body with more information in the viewfinder than my M7, and as I am Left eyed, very comfortable to use when I sketch a scene looking for the right framing, or waiting for the right moment. BTW, I have a Rapidwinder for my M7, and it isn't the same as a built-in winder. Compared to a Leica M7 0.58, the Hexar is quicker to shoot, gives more information, has the same focusing issues with longer lenses, and quicker to load. I like mine very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead_metaphor Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Love mine. Best deal on the market if you want a rangefinder that uses leica glass. Nice viewfinder for wide angle (nobody uses a rangefinder for teles anyway) nice motor winder, 1/4000 shutter, well-built, CHEAP. Plus, you won't look like a poseur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h_kan_th_rngren Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I have an Hexar RF and Leica M2 and M4 and a wide range of Konica M lenses. I have not encountered any backfocus issues that I am aware of. The lenses just swaps around the bodies without any problems. I started off with the M2 and got the Hexar RF about 2 years later. I usually have ISO 100 film in the Hexar and M4. ISO 400 film goes into the M2. I prefer the Leica for low light work. For ISO 100, the M4 sees little use, I prefer the Hexar RF which is much quicker in practical use. In essence, I have made a partial switch to Hexar RF from Leica M and plan to keep it that way. I guess that my Hexar RF eventually will need service (hopefully some 10-25 years from now) which might be a problem, while the Leicas will still be ticking along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablito_pistola Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I tried and tried to like my Hexar RF but eventually sold it. Bought it in the first place for all the seeming advantages: motordrive, AE capability, higher shutter speeds, price compared to Leica, etc. However, I found MANUAL exposure, which I use 80% of the time, to be incredibly unresponsive, You'd move the aperture nearly a whole stop and you'd see no change in the viewfinder meter reading. This is not a camera for those who like to use predominantly manual exposure. AE seemed ok, though biased for slides as the others say. Another problems that Konica seemed unable to fix was vertical alignment of of the rangefinder. Sent it in once and it came back worse. Konica technician told me on the phone that this was very delicate and they could not ever guarantee to fix it perfectly. Well, in my Leicas the RF patches match up perfectly and always have. speaking personally, the Hexar RF was a big disappointmenet. However, I kept the 50mm lens - great lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_sackett Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I have a RF that I shoot along with an M6. About a week ago it tumbled out of my car onto the driveway. It appeared to work fine after that but had a couple a tiny dings. A few days later I was shooting at a wedding and it quit. The counter indicated #11, but when I took the roll out in the darkroom, the whole roll had been exposed. Now what to do? Has anyone had a similar problem? Where to fix this? Konica is non-existant, I think? Or, retire the body? I've only shot around 300 rolls with this body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard jepsen Posted July 16, 2006 Author Share Posted July 16, 2006 Thanks for your feedback. The Konica RF has a dense feel with great features but appears less robust than a M or an electronic R3/Minolta XE-7. I will buy a M diopter for a .72 M6 in hopes of improving edge visibility of the 35mm frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_fan1 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I had been using Hexar RF for about one and half year and finally let go. It is a great camera. It works well with Leica lenses from 21mm to 90mm. I don't have any problem in focusing and the 4000 shutter is great. The reason for selling it is it's shutter delay which is not so good for snapshot. I feel more sure on the timing of exposure when using M-body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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