blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 In <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00HChb">this thread</a>, I promised Marc Lieberman I'd shoot the same portrait with the 50/1.2 Noctilux and a Non-ASPH Summilux at f/1.4 for comparison purposes. <p> When the day came, I thought "as long as I've got a model, why not shoot a bunch of 50's at a range of apertures?", so that's what I did. <p> The equipment: M3 SS (Kermit) with known accurate rangefinder. Bogen ballhead on Manfrotto tripod. Kodak Portra 400 NC. High-resolution scan from Wolf Camera (you don't think I'm gonna scan 21 photos at high resolution for a lens test <i>myself</i>, right?). Scans resized to 511 and borders added per my usual practice, but no other manipulations performed. <p> The setting: Reed's Jazz and Supper Club, Austin, TX. In the attached photo (Summilux at f/1.4, by the way) I've drawn red circles around a background specular highlight and a candleholder, which you should use to compare bokeh. <p> The exposure: 1/250 @ f/1.4; shutter speed adjusted to match aperture for all other shots. Lighting did not change during the period of shooting. <p> The lenses: 50/1.2 Noctilux, 50/1.4 Non-ASPH (latest) Summilux, 50/1.4 LTM Nikkor, 50/2 DR Summicron, 50/2 Summitar, 50/3.5 Cosina-Voigtlander Color-Heliar. <p> Subjective conclusions: <p> Bokeh: Noctilux wins hands down. You cannot make it produce bad bokeh at any aperture. Much better to my eye than samples from the 50/1 Noctilux, which (in the interests of full disclosure) I've never used. Interestingly, the Nikkor looks second-best, with the Summmilux only third. The Summitar, unsurprisingly, is worst in this category, with ring bokeh not completely gone at f/4. All the other lenses were fine by f/2.8, except the DR cron which is hard to judge because the bartender walked in front of my specular highlight. <p> Color rendition: Lux and DR Cron are "cool neutral". Summitar is "warm neutral". Noct and Nikkor are "warm yellow", and Heliar is "warm pink". <p> Sharpness: Not a hairsbreadth between them at the center. These are all damn fine lenses. At the edge - who knows? Nothing's in the plane of focus at the edges in these pictures. Photograph a newspaper if you're interested in this. <p> Drawing: The poses in the shots with the Noct at 1.2 and the Lux at 1.4 are similar enough for an almost direct comparison. I like the Noct's drawing much better. I also like the drawing of the Nikkor better than that of the Lux. The Summitar is really beautiful at f/2. The DR Cron doesn't draw that well, but it has a beautiful smoothness. Texture-wise, the Noct has a "creaminess" (probably low microcontrast) which is distinctive and different from all the other lenses. <p> Conclusion: If you're shooting portraits with any of these lenses, the factor most limiting the quality of your results is you. Pictorially, I like the Noctilux best. From f/1.4 to f/2, my second choice would be the Nikkor, with the Summilux third; from f/2.8 up, I'd reverse these two. Despite being convincingly worse on all technical factors except sharpness, the DR Cron and the Summitar produce really excellent pictorial results. The Heliar really isn't in this class - it's too slow for my usual portrait environment. Still, on a tripod it produces a fine result, though a little more "plastic" than many of the other lenses. <p> The complete set of photos can be found <a href="http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=621221">here</a><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 And here's the Noct at f/1.4 for purposes of comparison<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 :-( The 511-pixel limit is really not very nice here, and I sized all the gallery photos for that format too. I'll replace the gallery images with bigger ones later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 OK, the gallery images are now 1024 pixels wide, so you can evaluate sharpness more accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 And... sigh... after I carefully uploaded them in the right order, the Gallery software seems to have randomized them. Click on "details" to get captions describing which photo was taken with which lens at which aperture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_morris4 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Cool, Bob. If you'd warned me, I would have lent you my CV Nokton and freshly cleaned collapsible Summicron (don't suppose there'd be much interest in the black f/1.8 Canon). Tell me if you ever want these for a future evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_ries Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Many thanks for using a cute chick for the test instead of a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 I don't meet a lot of brick walls; I guess I need to start hanging out in higher-class places :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dford Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I never knew about the 50/1.2 Noctilux until you started posting some pix using this lens. I thought that perhaps it was just an over valued collectors lens. But now I believe that it is the finest Leica 50mm lens ever produced. Its unfortunate that most of these lenses are sitting unused, owned by collectors. Oh the humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vivek iyer Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I agree that Bob does justice to the 50/1.2 Noct. Good set, Bob. I can't help notice the differences in colors from the same lens/settings/model at different apertures. I think it is due to exposure mishaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_horn Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Excellent post, Bob. I remember when the f1.2 Noctiluxes were on dealer's shelves in Chicago, as new equipment. They were just beyond my reach. Even more so now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgh Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Can't see with the set-up and subject matter of these photographs but 'smooth bokeh' has another quality. Doesn't seem to get much airplay, but the gradual and smooth look of the transition from sharp plane of focus to non-sharp foreground and background is also a major part of what 'bokeh' is. The abrupt falloff of sharpness to out of focus area is one of the criticisms of the aspherical lenses. Lenses like the 35 and 90 pre-ASPH Summicrons are known for their 'smooth-sharpness' bokeh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_lieberman1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Thank's Bob. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_t Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 fascinating post Bob, thanks for sharing :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee hamiel Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Thanks Bob My son has a 1.0 Noctilux for his M bodies & also has the 50 1.4 for a Nikon S2 & it's a good comparison you show as the Noctilux is great & the Nikkor 50 1.4 has a nice look as well. I know it takes a bit of work to do these things plus all of the after-chatter so thanks again for the time spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 Vivek, you're right about some exposure inaccuracy. There are two sources of this. The first is that the M3 doesn't have a stepless shutter, so I couldn't shoot f/1.2 and f/1.4 a half stop apart - thus f/1.2 is shot at the same speed as f/1.4 and therefore a half stop overexposed. The second source of variation is that when my model leaned forward, she was closer to the light source (a frosted window), and what with the inverse square law & all, there was some variation in exposure due to this. When I lay the prints out on the table though, the color is pretty consistent among shots from the same lens but noticeably different among shots from different lenses. I do think the 50/1.2 is very very good, but at 1.2 it's hard to use if your subject's face is at an angle, because the far eye falls out of focus. This effect has to be carefully managed. It also has less resolution than "sharper" Leica lenses. It is my favorite 50, but for portraits I still think the 75 Summicron beats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 Robert, you're RIGHT ON about bokeh and smooth fall-off - actually this is the MOST important part of bokeh when you're taking portraits, which is why I love the 75 Summicron so much - because it does "smooth falloff" better than any lens I've ever used in any format. incidentally, the best picture of the session was a candid I took after I finished testing. Here it is:<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_matherson Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 "At the edge - who knows? Nothing's in the plane of focus at the edges in these pictures. Photograph a newspaper if you're interested in this." Sorry but I think your dissmissal of edge performance as almost being irrelevant isnt valid. Its improvement of edge performance which often results in a sacrific in smooth bokeh transitions. Each person needs to evaluate which they value more but I think alot would sway towards edge performance which is where lenses like the 50mm Summicron would come into its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakley Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 I didn't say that edge performance is irrelevant. It is, however, not very important when you're photographing up close in a dark room. And I think it's pretty clear from the pictures in this test that the DR Summicron isn't as good a portrait lens as the Noctilux, or, for that matter, the Nikkor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolaphoto Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Thanks for the test, Bob. Raid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 "Sharpness: Nothing's in the plane of focus at the edges in these pictures. Photograph a newspaper if you're interested in this." I did this with my brand new pre-Asph Summilux just a month ago. The excercise is not worth it as the detail falls away quite quickly at all apertures. I concluded that the lens was about making beautiful images, rather than checking it's value as a copy lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_svensson Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Great test, thanks for sharing. The Noctilux shots do look amazing. I like the Summilux look too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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