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I'm laughing my heinie off reading this thread. Do these so-called top photographers who

are complaining about other top photographers being mate raters really think they are

fooling anyone? Whether someone amasses 7/7, 7/6, and 6/7 ratings by mate rating, by

giving out lots of inflated ratings (6/6's and 6/5's) to their "fans" (I guess that's mate

rating too, really) and to people they don't know in the hopes of getting high reciprocal

ratings in return, or both, the end result is the same. I would venture to guess that most of

the site's "Top Photographers", at least most of those on the first 3 or 4 top rated pages,

have participated in some type of rating game in order to amass at least some of their

high ratings. Just visit their photo.net summary pages. Most of the site's highest rated

photographers have given out average ratings of 5.6 or higher. One of the biggest

complainers here has given out more than 12,000 "6" ratings, which make up more than

70 percent of his total ratings. Only about 200 of his total ratings (A+O) are 4 or lower.

Please, give this forum a break from your hypocritical whining.

 

I happen to like the variety of the new TRP and I do believe that Brian's changes are really

having an impact on those who have for a long time now been playing ratings games in all

their various forms.

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Judging from the past history, Annabeth must be refering to you Vincent. Hmmm...So, this is how you became a top photographer on photo.net, you cheated your way to the top instead relying on your talents. Rather then trying to sell landscape photos, better find another way to make a living....This cheating business just won't cut it in the real world. LOL!!
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for having declared this thread dead and jumping back in now.

 

But enough personal attacks, folks! Having had an enjoyable run of dialogue and debate about different ideas and views, please, don't ruin it by attacking personally or picking up somebody else's bait because of continuing disagreement.

 

Vincent, we've disagreed before but I have never doubted your sincerity. My issue with your approach is that the "crime" you are concerned about is basically a crime of cheating. You are convinced certain people dishonestly award high scores not because they think a photo merits the score, but in order to get a high score in return, and should be punished for their actions. In other words, you find them guilty of a crime of intent. I do not see how you can prove a person's INTENT under internet circumstances, unless they practically admit it. So admin. is legitimately put off by the possibility that it will inadvertantly act in an unfair way. Vincent, I encourage you to entertain the possibility -- the possibility -- that at least some of the people who you may think are abusive mate raters believe in their ratings as much as you and me -- even if you also think they are stone cold delusional.

 

Although it does not say so, I suspect among admin.'s concerns also are the potential negative reactions, both by disgruntled people thrown off the site, and by participants who believe that people have been treated unfairly, that will suck up more time and resources than are available.

 

The admin may also have somewhat different purposes for the TRP than you. For example, while you and the site may share the desire for a fair system of competition among quality photographers, the site may also want a diverse TRP to give a broader range of participants and genres the chance to make it there. So I don't think you can assume that your view of the "problem" and the admin's view of the "problem" are the same thing.

 

So admin. appears to prefer group, rather than individual, solutions to the mate rating issue. About all anyone can do is throw in our two cents. Its their business, not ours.

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<i>"I would venture to guess that most of the site's "Top Photographers", at least most of those on the first 3 or 4 top rated pages, have participated in some type of rating game in order to amass at least some of their high ratings"</i><p>I've checked the ratings records of my own favourite "Top Photographers" some of whom do appear in the first 3 or 4 pages and almost without exception they rarely or never rate images. Interestingly my least favourite photographers on the first 3 or 4 pages almost without exception are more than generous with their ratings.
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This is a very interesting discussion I seem to have started.

 

I don't claim to be a top class photographer -- I just go about my business, and somehow over the course of a little over a year have amassed millions of 'views' and hundreds and hundreds of comments, even though my rates are mediocre -- I have never tried for 'TRP' and sometimes - occasionally and without intent land there. Once I tried to give away that place to Mr. Chubb, who lusted after it.

 

From time to time notorious mate-raters have come to my pages and given me very high scores, but on photos that were receiving high scores but I didn't reciprocate, and on one or more occasions even wrote that the scores didn't have to be so high and I wouldn't mind.

 

Interestingly those whom others see as 'mate-raters' stopped rating my photographs, but still did come back again and again and leave kind, intelligent comments which show dedication to their art and just don't drop a rate, which I find just fine.

 

I've left only 302 rates as of today -- if I rate, it's just to get a photo into my on TRP gallery -- it's my showcase for the type of photography I regard highly -- I prefer to comment, just as I have amassed those hundreds of comments on my photographs, seemingly books worth. The comments are so much more revealing, I think, than ratings, and really help my photography, and also the sense of community I feel.

 

And, as I've said before, the gallery on this forum is somewhat ingrown -- if many world-famous photographers posted their works here, they might get only 2s 3s and 4s at best. This site favors photographs which show well in thumbnail format and in which the 'subject' fills the frame and can be read quickly on a computer screen and details don't count. I keep that in mind and am not driven by the TRP as so many of you are. That keeps me sane.

 

John (Crosley)

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Carl,<br><br>

I did not get a chance to respond to your post. You are right on both occasion about Volume and Mediocrity. It is an excellent observation. <br><br>

The solution to volume problem can be easily be addressed as I suggested to Brian in my above post. Limit the number of photos that show up on TRP to one per any give time period. Brian, what do you think about the idea?<br><br>

Mediocrity is far more difficult problem to tackle as taste in photography is rather subjective. So, rather then address the problem of mediocrity directly, What we should do is come up with some way to measure photographers ability as a good contributor. Besides ratings, photosig measure ability to rate peoples comments and also number of comment that each photographer leaves on the photos. <br><br>

-Jay

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This whole thread reeks of jelousy for the most part!

 

Brian, I know my opinion may not mean much here, but I still stand behind what I have said on several ocasions, (Make the ability to rate on photo's a perk or privilage) and most of these problems (Exept complaints) will go away!

 

If for example, you where to make the ability a privilage, if someone was to cheat or lowball others, the privilage would be in peril of being taken away, call it a three strikes your out method!

 

Withold the ability for a short period on newcomers, and have an I accept these terms and agree to button at the end of the tutorial for how to rate responsably, make it clear that it is a privilage and not a right!

 

In doing it this way, and explaining this to newcomers, it would go leaps and bounds into getting everyone to be more fair and honest, instead of either constant 7/7s on one individuals photos, or lowballing everyone else except their favorite bud's photos, and also just plain slapping those low rates across the board, because they dont know no better!

 

I know, policing this method would probably be a nightmare, and I wouldn't envy you the constant feedback and emails you would get in turn, but don't you get constant headacks already from both ends?

 

Just my .02

 

Ken.

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