Goerz Hypar 3" f 3.5 ???

I just picked up this Goerz Hypar 3" f3.5 lens no 391381. I can't

find much info about the lens other than one selling for quite a bit

at a rare camera store. Anyone know what this lens was for? The lens

us quite small and is in brass barrel with iris f3.5 - 22. Quite fast

for its day. I would appreciate any info or knowledge you may have

about the lens.

Joe,<br>I have a Goerz Hypar 1:7/ 600mm ( No. 364534), which is a big lens in barrel without stops, probably made for projection. It's an uncemented triplet of the "+ - +" type.<br> References about Hypars are sparse, indeed. I only found that there were rather long ones in F.5 of 300 and 360mm and in F4.5 in 360, 480 and 600mm, made from 1912 - "for artistic portraiture" ( according to Hartmut Thiele:"150 Jahre Kameraoptik in Deutschland", a recently published reference book on German camera optics ). H. Neumann in "Das Auge meiner Kamera" has the Hypar included in his list of uncemented triplets as made in "f.l. of 4-10cm, 1:2.7 - 4.5", barrel mount". This seems to be the range where your lens comes in. Maybe the often cited Vademecum has more information about it. <br>Uli

Thanks Uli! Due to the lack of responses I take it the lens is quite unknown and unheard of. Wow, nobody knows anything!? The coverage may be good enough for 6x6. The front grouping has a threaded ring inside the group that allows the rear front element to uncrew easity from its grouping. Very unusual. The lens is not symmetrical. It does have the modern type of iris.

Here's what the Vade Mecum offers:

Hypar This was the Goerz triplet and was made for portrait and general work in large sizes and for movie as

the Kino Hypar. The Kino versions are not especially sought after but the big portrait lenses are highly prized.

It was made as:

f3.5 in 12in for 6x4in; and 14in for 8x6in.

f4.5 in 14-24in This was a triplet, new in 1914 (B.J.A.) with a high degree of transparency due

to the thin glasses. It used very durable glasses. It was free from internal reflexions, and from astigmatism up

to 35? for f3.5, and 45? for f4.5 lenses. The B.J.A. described them as sharp over the angle used for Portraiture,

but with a certain quality which distinguishes them from the biting sharpness of the ordinary anastigmat.

Joe,

 

any experiences yet with your Hypar lens? I'd be curious to know

how they perform.

 

TIA,

Norm

Norm, a couple or five or six months ago I ran into Arnie Duren at a camera show. Arnie owns Brooklyn Camera Exchange, is quite a nice guy. He had a box of old lenses in shiny brass barrels, out of which I picked a short (75 mm?) Hypar.

 

"How much for this one, Arnie?"

 

"$ outrageous."

 

"But Arnie, isn't it just a garden variety triplet from Goerz?"

 

"Yes, but for some reason it is a cult lens."

 

Cheers,

 

Dan

I have a tiny Hypar (I think 2.7cm FL) in barrel. Could have been a cine lens.

 

Your 3" Hypar could be worth a bit of money for a collector (for a while Fuji were buying such "classics", perhaps for a museum).

 

More worth selling than shooting with it.

Vivek, I think that Arnie was hoping a real collector or member of the cult would happen by. The lens didn't sell at the camera show and he later offered it on eBay. IIRC it didn't sell there either.

 

Cheers,

 

Dan

 

The VM says:

 

Hypar This was the Goerz triplet and was made for portrait and general work in large sizes and for movie as the Kino Hypar. The Kino versions are not especially sought after but the big portrait lenses are highly prized. It was made as:

 

f3.5 in 12in for 6x4in; and 14in for 8x6in.

 

f4.5 in 14-24in

 

This was a triplet, new in 1914 (B.J.A.) with a high degree of transparency due to the thin glasses. It used very durable glasses. It was free from internal reflexions, and from astigmatism up to 35ﾰ for f3.5, and 45ﾰ for f4.5 lenses. The B.J.A. described them as sharp over the angle used for Portraiture, but with a certain quality which distinguishes them from the biting sharpness of the ordinary anastigmat.

 

Also:

 

Hypar Portrait f3.5 300, 360mm Q14 type, for 35-45ﾰ. This was a triplet with three equally spaced glasses with the iris after G2, and are of softish focus. It covers 35ﾰ and a 36cm is used for 13x18cm

plates. These sizes were for CDV and Cabinet; Cabinet or Boudoir respectively.

 

f4.5 360, 420, 480, 600mm. (Layout Goe008) This was like the f3.5 in layout but covered 45ﾰ. This was made in Cabinet or Boudoir; Boudoir; Imperial; and Imperial and Larger. This lens was once used by Nicola Perscheid of Berlin, and the "poor correction" leading to softness may

be due to uncorrected astigmatism. The longer versions are rated at 45ﾰ, the shorter at 35ﾰ. It is suggested to use 420mm for 10x8in. It seems to have been made from about 1913, and softness is controlled by stopping down. Houghton's catalogue for 1914, p372.) It does turn up in USA lists but is far from common.

Here is more about the Hypar (scans of a 1913 Goerz catalogue)<p>

http://www.cameraeccentric.com/html/info/goerzcat/hyparb.html </p>

 

Uli