louie Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hello all, I'm taking a cruise to Antarctica in a week or so, and was wondering whether I should take my flash or not. I shoot a Canon 10D, and the pop up flash isn't very good - especially when I use it with the 17-40mm lens. I rarely use my flash in nature photography since I concentrate mostly on landscapes, and haven't really used it with wildlife since I'm usually shooting a long telephoto lens. However, there'll be plenty of penguins close up in Antarctica, so I was thinking that the flash might be useful on overcast days for fill flash. I must admit that I am quite the novice when it comes to flash photography. My problem is that weight is a concern as I'm also carrying camping gear for a side trip to Torres del Paine. (My luggage is up to 65 lbs.) I don't want to take anything extra, but as Antarctica is a long way to go, I hate the idea of needing something and not having it. Btw, the flash is a Canon 420EX. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awahlster Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 100 years ago the thought of going to antartica was as life treating as one could image. Extremely well thought out and prepared adventures just disappeared off the face of the earth some luckier only had to wait 14 months for rescue. When ever I see something about a tourist going to some place like this it fills me with awe and wonder. Haven't got a clue about the flash but please think about those poor bastards who went first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_chappell Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I spent several summers researching penguins on the Antarctic Peninsula, and during that time I took lots of pictures. Every so often a fill-in flash was useful, but I would not call it vital by any means. In Torres del Paine, it's pretty much like in any national park in the continental US (reminds me a bit of Yosemite, but with fewer trees and more lakes). Depending on your subject, a flash could be very helpful (say, for flowers, or birds, etc.). I do lots of bird photography and very frequently use a fill-in flash. I guess my advice would be to take your flash if at all possible. Hope you have fun. Don't get too close to the penguins (if they wave their flippers, they're alarmed), and stay FAR away from any fur seals (they are sometimes aggressive on land and can move surprisingly fast). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappoldt Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Using a long telephoto with fill flash can be tough, as the light scatters before it reaches the distant subject. I highly recc a Better Beamer flash extender. It's a flexible plastic fresnel lens that is attached to your flash with velcro. Takes 3 seconds to put on, weighs an ounce or two, and costs about $30. See it here: http://www.birdsasart.com/accs.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_champoux Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 What Mark said... You'll have long days of daylight. Ambient light will be at its brightest. Most of the continent is bathed in blue skies and a lot of light this time of year. I don't know about the Peninsula tho. Never been there during the summertime. If that's where you're heading, do some searching to find out whether the Peninsula has a lot of bright, sunny days or is subject to a heavy overcast. Since Mark has spent several summers there, maybe email him for some input on this. Cheers and have fun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 Mark, I'll be on the Antarctica Peninsula. From what I've read there are long hours of daylight, but the weather can be quite variable. I browsed through the IAATO regulations for tourists in Antarctica, but I don't remember seeing anything about using flash on the wildlife. In your experience, is it o.k. to use flash with the penguins? I've been in parks where flash photography with the wildlife was prohibited (e.g. Katmai National Park). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_chappell Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 With respect to the legality of using flash: I very much doubt if flash use is specifically banned. However (and here I make the assumption that you're a US citizen), you are bound by the rules of the US Antarctic Treaty (go <A HREF="http://www.state.gov/g/oes/ocns/c6528.htm">here</a> for details). Basically, they say that unless you have a permit -- say, for scientific research -- you cannot disturb Antarctic wildlife. So although I don't think use of flash is banned, that means if you happened to use a flash and for some reason it caused a penguin stampede, you've broken the law. But that kind of a problem will be extremely unlikely if you use sensible judgement. Don't get to close, back off if you think the animals are nervous, be quiet, don't stand on access routes to colonies, etc.<P> I did use flash on penguins a few time, and they never responded to it, so my example was hypothetical. But to repeat: any substantive disturbance without a permit is not allowed under the Antarctic Treaty. By the way, this is a very unusual situation in that the US does not make or recognize any territorial claims in Antarctica (although we reserve the right to do so in future). All that the US claims are the physical structures (buildings) on its bases. Since we don't claim any territory, the US law relating to the US Antarctic Treaty only applies to US citizens. Any nation that signs the international Antarctic Treaty is expected to have laws that concern its own citizens, but US laws don't apply to citizens of other nations in an area that the US does not claim.<P> Bottom line: use common sense. All the reputable tour operators down there are pretty good about keeping the human impact minimal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis_kazakov Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 > <I>I'll be on the Antarctica Peninsula. From what I've read there are long hours of daylight, but the weather can be quite variable. </i><BR><BR> I don't think a flash is vital. You'll have sun round the clock and in bad weather, a flash won't help. The below picture was taken during a blizzard in Russian Arctic. Best regards,<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Try to find the Snow Cruiser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewdawsongallery Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I've never been to Antarctica, but I have a few general reactions. 1) The only place I've been where the flash was specifically prohibited was the Galapagos. There are ways (I believe) to use flash without disturbing wildlife, but that was their rule. 2) Your flash doesn't weight that much, so there's no good reason not to take it. And it's gonna give better results than any built-in flash. 3) I don't quite agree with Denis; on a bright contrasty day, flash can really help to fill in shadows. It'll depend on the terrain; snow might reflect enough light that fill-flash won't be needed. 4) I envy you enormously! Have fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis_kazakov Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 <I>I don't quite agree with Denis; on a bright contrasty day, flash can really help to fill in shadows. It'll depend on the terrain; snow might reflect enough light that fill-flash won't be needed.</i><BR><BR> I just said it is not vital and I don't think you will ever need it. It may not operate properly at low temperatures. And bateries will definitely run out of charge faster. But if can take it, take it. Actually, it will be interesting to know if you have used it and how often. I will be grateful if you post your impressions and pictures when you are back.<BR><BR> By the way, here is a good web-site with advice on photography in Antarctica.<BR><BR> Take a gray card or an incident-light meter!<BR><BR> Best regards, Denis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 Actually, I decided not to take the flash. I lifted my daypack and discovered it was over 30 lbs. with all of the camera gear and computer stuff. So, I started throwing stuff out. The flash never made it in. Hopefully, I?ll post a trip report on photo.net like the one I wrote for Patagonia and Katmai. I?m currently in Argentina, and am heading to Torres del Paine tomorrow to hit the spots I missed last time. In any event, I?ll let you guys know whether flash would have been worthwhile. Thanks for your responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik_eilers Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 Leave the flash at home! I just got back from Antarctica, but was on the Ross Sea side. There was so much ice around that it all aacted as a big white reflector. I bought a 550ex for the trip, and didn't use it once. We had 24 hours of daylight, but were a bit more south then the pennisula side. We had quite a bit of snow. The penguins were great. Be careful about your exposure...easy to mess up with all the snow around. Have a great trip, especially in Chile!!! Another dream trip for me!! Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted February 10, 2005 Author Share Posted February 10, 2005 Hello all, I just got back from Antarctica last Monday. The question with regards to flash was asked of the Expedition Staff ornithologist, and she said that she'd prefer that we not use it with any of the penguins or other birds. That being said, I didn't really feel the need for it at any point. It would have been nice on occasion, especially for fill flash, but not really needed. There were so many photo ops that if a particular scene did not satisfy, lighting-wise, then it wasn't too hard to find something else to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis_kazakov Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Thanks for proving my point :))This question is off-topic, but what did you do with exposure? Any compensation? Or did you let your camera take care of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted February 12, 2005 Author Share Posted February 12, 2005 For exposure, I followed a few simple rules. For snow/ice scenes, I metered off of the snow/ice and opened up 1-2 stops, depending on lighting conditions. For penguins, I metered off their white bodies, and opened up 1-2 stops, depending on lighting conditions. For seals/whales, I metered off of their dark bodies and stopped down one stop. If I had a seal on an iceberg, I metered off of the ice/snow and went from there - I didn't want to blow out any highlights. From my results, it looks like I tended to underexpose a bit, which is fine since I was shooting raw can adjust things from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis_kazakov Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Interesting. I thought it would be more than 2 stops. I just realized that I never measured off the snow myself. Always had something gray or measured incident light. Anyway, thanks for the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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