s_vreeland Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hi,I'm working on putting together a poster of a town to show its beauty and have included images of pretty porches or front gardens etc.I'd greatly appreciate advice on whether I would need any property releases for the images (I hope not as I'm ready to go to print). For the most part, I was standing at a distance away from the direct property.Thanks much,Suz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelging Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I believe that if you are on Public property and shoot photos of what is in public view ,that you should not have any problems.If you were using the photos in a derogatory way that misrepresented the property(saying they were a drug house,used for prostitution,home of a child molester),ect. you could be sued in civil court.It sounds like there would be no problem,you might ask a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Wrong! if an image features an individual property, and the poster is a commercial project you definitely need a property release from the current owner of the property. If the owner sells the property the release is part of the contigencies and liabilities of the property that is sold. it makes no difference where you stood when you made the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photomark Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I know you are not a lawyer Ellis and neither am I, but since you seem certain, I would be interested in your lay-person-this-is-not-legal-advise opinion on why a property release is required. I understand there have been some much-publicized cases involving trademark disputes, but in cases where trademark is not an issue I am not certain what area of law (short of the all important cover-your-ass-just-in-case area of law) requires property releases. It's always been my understanding that model releases arise out of protection provided by privacy torts--a protection not afforded inanimate objects like buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_chananie Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 My understanding is that a property release is needed for commercial purposes. If the picture were being used for editorial purposes, such as appearing in a newspaper, where first amendment protections apply, you might be able to get away with it. However, here an image is being used for sale, so you need the property release. I photographed a house in Buford, SC where requests had been made for spreads in magazines and denied, but I was able to get a property release. Just northern charm, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_vreeland Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 An added part to the picture - thought I'd add that the images I've taken include only a portion of the front of the homes/garden ie. a corner or so - don't know if that makes any difference? Thanks so much for the responses so far - Suz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Suz, It doesn't make a difference, if you don't have a release and the person whose home (or portion of) you have included decides to go after you, you don't have a leg to stand on. Ask nicely, get the release signed and offer a poster or two as compensation. You are right, I'm not a lawyer. i can't cite laws covering this. The first time I remember seeing this as an issue had to do with the "P ainted Ladies" of san Fransciso being used in an ad for I think MasterCard back in the early 1980s or late 1970s. If you have several buildings in one image -- for example a skyline image -- that is considered okay, no release generally needed. Single out a single property and you need a release. My stock agencies are also pretty clear about this: The threshold seems to be three or more buildings in a single image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_fields1 Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Common sense: Would you want your front porch photo'd/printed/sold without your knowing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_vreeland Posted February 17, 2005 Author Share Posted February 17, 2005 Thanks, for the tactful answer. Actually, I wouldn't mind my place appearing in the nice way I'm presenting it. - Suz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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