Correct the wording in the "Critics Circle"?

Deliberately posting another comment in order to assist PN management with their IP sniffing protocols - YES, I'm really down here in Tasmania and didn't know about photo.net until August 2002!<br>Just because I'm supposed to have <a href="http://www.austinscaravans.com.au/twotas/"> two heads? </a>

This has got to be April Fools' Day at its best... LOL!

I think the unfortunatley neglected critics circle is still a great thing. The people listed there have really done a great job throughout PN. It would be nice to see it updated with new critics; but I do like having access to the people listed because they provide a wealth of information in their comments and,yes,their ratings as well.

 

<P> As far as Bailey goes; while he certainly doesn't need me (or anyone else) to defend him, I will say this: I have been on PN for close to two years and have been familiar with him for that entire time. Lately I decided I wanted to see if he was really such an evil terrible person as everyone claims so I followed him around for oh.. 2 weeks or so. What I found was well though out critiques; helpful comments in the Leica and other forums; plenty of photoshopped images showing exactly what he thought could be better. And, hey a sense of humor to boot. The once or twice we had a difference of opinion in a thread did not involve him calling me names or attacking me ( as has been my experience with people in this very thread) but was intelligent and helpful.

Prsonally; I see nothing wrong with his presence at PN and will not be surprised when they put a hero icon next to his name. My opinion may not be worth a lot; but,nevertheless it's better than baseless accusations and the childish flames I've seen thus far.

Just another example of a good discussion gone bad due to the same people ruining them. I'm sure most or all of this discussion will be deleted as dozens of similiar threads that started out as useful discussions turn into personal attacks have also been deleted. When will it end? Never as long as the powers that be don't do something about it and keep supporting the participants.

Hey, Peter- will you show me your scar??

Here is my 2c about Mr%Z�s rating habits.

 

%Z has been asked by several members of PN not to rate their folders jet he keeps doing it for his enjoyment, he also has a habit of revenge rating of entire folders of those who express opinions he doesn�t like.

 

I must say that I don�t follow forums so my opinion is based only on %Z�s comments on individual images. So far I have only seen %Z demonstrating basic knowledge of software adjustments. He advocates using Levels which is nothing more than knowing where the auto adjust button is and he knows about sharpening with the third party plugins which don�t work for the web images too well. That�s it.

 

It is hardly surprising that %Z is being chased by people who demonstrated their skills with actual images but felt offended by his behavior.

 

My best regards,

 

Pawel

<B>SO</B>...how 'bout them Gophers? Good women's basketball team, dontchatink?<BR>

Anyhoo, I guess that 1) the reference to Critique Circle must be Spring-cleaned, and 2) this thread should be as well.

Ah. Well, Pawel thats your take on the subject; and apparently it is shared throughout PN. A shame. All I can say is this (and I've said it before) to be apart of PN you need a suit of armor and a bucket of salt. I don't think you can come onto this site and actively pick and choose who can or cannot rate your pictures and who can comment on them. Thats; well, ridiculous.

 

 

*on topic* It'dbe great to update the critics circle. See afew fresh faces. If anyone can see to that; it'd be great. I'd be happy to help if I can.

<i> you epitomize the strengths and weaknesses of this site...I will leave it to you to play

your games in. </i><p>

 

Does this mean you're leaving in a huff <u>again</u>? Gee, all it took was several weeks

of you lying, insulting, sending harassing posts and emails (and the same to others) and

positing ridiculous (easily disputed) 'theories' that made you look sily, instead of merely

ignoring any ratings you disliked or disagreed with. <p>

 

But you've left before, and odds are you'll reappear again, flaming and attacking some

more. But who knows: maybe you'll keep your word this time....

<i> BTW, I'm heading for the nuke shelter... </i><p>

 

That's just because it's where you keep your darkroom. ;0

Perhaps the funniest part of this entire thread is the insertion of the original

comment atop the response page. I had almost forgotten that issue

altogether. I have laughed aloud and for that I am greatful. I think you all are

slightly off centre which is in my estimation a desirable quality to have.

Please, don't stop. This is better than tv.

 

Sincerely....Sally

<i> This is better than tv. </i><p>

 

Why? Is William accusing people of being transvestites too?

Sorry..I'm in a passive phase and can't comment .

 

Sally

As personal insults are a violation of the terms of use, most of this thread needs to be moderated out of existance. Come on folks, get a grip.

Although I couldn't agree more with the above statement about the thread needing to be deleted, it is fun to read.

I think you're all nuts. Thankfully I'm ignored and unappreciated on this site (for good reason I'm sure) so all I have to worry about is the occasional nutty email from the more vicious of you here; other than that I could just say whatever I want and nobody ever notices.

 

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa

 

Am I nuts enough to fit in yet? No? Whew.

<em>And who the hell is Bailey Seals?!?!?</em>

<p>

I did originally mean the above question as a joke when I originally posted this thread, as

the thread was

about the lack of change of the critic's circle or whatever it is/was called. Don't think it

ever changed.

<p>

(The joke was that most people knew, and also even though .[. Z name changed? a couple

times, the critics circle web page info is so old it lists him as Bailey Seals...) Nope, still

there. Oh! I see - it no longer says "This week's featured..." Okay, cool.

<p>

I think the I assume original concept of having featured critics in addition to featured

portfolios was a good idea...

Most of the people who post photo's (or have none to post, so just critique) here on photo.net are adults. As adults we've been around long enough to see the bullies on the playground and as adults everyone has run across those people who are just miserable and "misery loves company".

 

Keeping this in mind, when we're online we need to expect these same people to act like themselves, keep their personal status quo and do what they do (a lot of us can remember Mimi from the Drew Carey Show). They may try to deflate others in the hopes of bringing others down to their level in the "real" world. So, it's only natural for them to do it here.

 

I'm not sure that a personality can be hidden (even online) forever. The hate, contept, envy, or happiness, contentment, politeness that these people show in their "real" lives will be transfered here depending on their personality and motivations.

 

Again, keeping these things in mind we need to treat these people on photo.net just as we would in our "real" lives. I choose to ignore them. They will continue to push our perverbial buttons but it's our decision as to if we react.

 

If someone feels a need to degrade another to justify their own existence or feel better about themselves, that is that persons personal problem not ours.

 

People like this have been around for a long, long time and it seems that they will continue to be. I for one, choose to just ignore that aspect of humanity and focus on the other side. It's all very relative and I choose to be positive and uneffected by the few who try to seek balance in their lives through contempt.

 

I'm not entirely sure (as I have no advanced psychology degree, only what I've learned of people through my own experience) but, it seems to me that some people may feel they've balanced the inbalances (lack of power or control) in their "real " life by bullying here because they are so ineffectual and powerless outside of photo.net.

 

I've been "hit" by these people here on photo.net. I was perplexed and defensive until I put it into perspective.

 

Just let these "parasites" (yes, these people seem fit the definition) of humanity who feel a need to justify their existence off the backs of others wallow in their own failure to produce anything useful (including critques).

 

Just let them ride your shirt tail in their misguided attempt to control something. If they had anything useful to give or add and weren't here to just justify themselves (for whatever reason) off the "fat of the land" they'd not be parasites. But, since nothing of value (that I've seen or hear about from others) is given or produced by them and they take what they'd like... they fit the definition of a "parasite". Sad, yes. But, not my idea and I didn't put them into this position, they did.

 

They are fully aware of the fact that they are inferior or they wouldn't have to keep throwing their superiority in others faces. If they were superior it would be self evident and they wouldn't even have to mention it because we'd already know. Again, it's sad. I say we should all do our best to be overly kind to these people. If for no other reason: if we don't play their game they will have no one to play with so, the game will stop. Just like I tell my kids to do with the bullies at school. hehehehehehehe........ that will show them. It would be like sending a naughty child to his room to think about his actions or putting a naughty child on "timeout" to seperate them and give them a chance to think about interacting with others.

 

We live on a planet FULL of people and to disregard their feelings in favor of ones own is very infantile and self destructive, to say the least and seeing all the damage it causes in ones own life and contnuing the same selfdefeating behaviors DOES NOT SHOW AN OVER ABUNDANCE OF INTELLIGENCE.

 

Not being able to have open discourse with other people without it turning contemptful and meanspirited is a very glaring character flaw. How can one be successful on a planet full of people when one can't even interact in a civil way. It really shows just how much thought and time should be given to these people.

 

I hope your days are warm, fruitful, and sunny and your nights are filled with good company and a full stomach. :o)

 

ALways Kind Regards,

_Lisa

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We?re in Good Company: almost 300 names of well known people who have a psychiatric diagnosis of mental illness. I found this on The Mental Health Client Action website.

A

Ajax, according to Aristotle Lionel Aldridge Buzz Aldrin, astronaut

Hans Christian Andersen, writer Diane Arbus Anton Arensky, musician

Antonin Artaud, poet

B

Honore de Balzac (1799-1850), author James Barrie, writer Ralph Barton, artist

Konstantin Barysuhkov, poet Francesco Bassano, artist Charles Baudelaire, poet

Thomas Lovell Beddoes, poet Ludwig van Beethoven, composer Bellerophontes, according to Aristotle

Arthur Benson, writer E. F. Benson, writer Ingmar Bergman, film maker

Hector Berlioz, 19th century French composer John Berryman, poet William Blake (1757-1827), poet

Ralph Blakelock, artist Aleksandr Blok, poet Barcroft Boake, poet

Louise Bogan, poet Boltzmannnn, scientist, (Kretschmer cyclothymic) David Bomberg, artist

Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), general Tadeusz Borowski Francesco Borromini, artist

James Boswell, writer Charlotte Bronte, author Rupert Brooke, poet

Anton Bruckner, musician John Bunyan, writer Robert Burns, poet

Lord Byron, (1788-1824), poet

C

Thomas Campbell, poet Georg Cantor, mathematician Dick Cavett, TV personality

Paul Celan, artist Benvenuto Cellini, artist Thomas Chatterton (1752-1770), English poet

Christian VII, Danish king Agatha Christie, mystery writer Sarah Churchill, attendant to Queen Anne and ancestor of Winston

Winston Churchill (1874-1965), British Prime Minister John Clare (1793-1864), poet Jeremiah Clarke, musician

Camille Claudel, sculptor Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), writer Rosemary Clooney, singer

Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1772-1834), poet William Collins (1721-1759), Georgian poet Joseph Conrad, writer

Copernicus, scientist (Kretschmer schizothymic) Frances Ford Coppola, director John Sell Cotman, artist

Noel Coward, musician William Cowper (1731-1800), poet Hart Crane, poet

Rene Crevel, artist Oliver Cromwell (1599-1658), English politician

D

Richard Dadd, artist Charles Darwin Daumier, painter

John Davidson, poet Edward Dayes, artist Charles Dickens, author

Emily Dickinson, poet Isak Dinesen, writer Gaetano Donizetti

Dostoyevsky, author John Dowland, musician Ernest Dowson, poet

Kitty Dukakis, Massachusetts first lady Patty Duke, actress Alexander Dumas, author

Albrecht Durer, engraver

E

Thomas Eagleton, politician Thomas Eakins, artist Russell Edson, poet

Edward Elgar, musician T. S. Eliot, poet Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist

Empedocles, according to Aristotle Sergei Esenin, Russian poet

F

Michael Farady, physicist William Faulkner, writer Robert Fergusson (1750-1774), Scots poet

Anfanasy Fet, poet Anne Finch, Countess of Winchilsea, poet Edward Fitgerald, poet

F. Scott Fitzgerald, author Zelda Fitzgerald, celebrity John Gould Fletcher, poet

James Forrestal, investment banker, Navy Sec'y under FDR Stephen Foster, musician George Fox (1624-1691), Society of Friends (Quakers) founder

Connie Francis, singer Huey Freeman, playwright Sigmund Freud, physician

Gustaf Froding, poet

G

Romain Gary, author George III Theodore Gericault, artist

Carlo Gesualdo, musician Lewis Grassic Gibbon, writer Mikhail Glinka, musician

Kurt Godel, 1906- 1978, mathematician Johan Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832), author Hugo van der Goes, artist

Vincent Van Gogh, painter Nikolai Gogol, writer Oliver Goldsmith, author

Arshile Gorky, artist Mazim Gorky, writer Cary Grant, actor

Kenneth Graham, writer Thomas Gray, poet Graham Greene, writer

Philip Guston, artist

H

Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804), American politician Hamlet, fictional Prince of Denmark George Frideric Handel, composer

Robert Stephen Hawker, poet Nathaniel Hawthorne, author Benjamin Haydon, artist

Heine, poet Ernest Hemingway, author Hercules, according to Aristotle

Herman Hesse, writer Carl Hill, artist Abby Hoffman, activist and author

Friedrich Holderlin, poet Gustav Holst, musician Gerard Manley Hopkins (1844-1889), poet

Howard Hughes, entrepreneur Victor Hugo, poet

I

Henrik Ibsen, writer William Inge, modern literary scene

J

Henry James, writer, brother of William William James, philosopher Kay Jamison, professor and writer

Randall Jarrell, poet Samuel Johnson, poet Ernst Josephson, artist

K

Kazan, Far Eastern naturalist artist, suicide John Keats, poet, opium addict Henry Kendall, poet

Kepler, scientist (Kretschmer schizothymic) Velimir Khlebnikov, poet Soren Kierkegaard

Ernst Ludwig Kirchner, artist Otto Klemperer, musician

L

Charles Lamb, author Walter Savage Landor, poet Edwin Landseer, artist

Orlando de Lassus, musician Edward Lear, artist King Lear, fictional

Nathaniel Lee, 17th century playwright Robert E Lee, soldier Wilhelm Lehmbruck, artist

Leibniz, scientist (Kretschmer schizothymic) Vivian Leigh, actress Nikolaus Lenau, poet

J. M. R. Lenz, poet Mikhail Lermontov, poet Primo Levi, author

Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865), US President Vachel Lindsay, poet Liszt, composer

Josh Logan, songster Jack London, author Earl K Long, politician

James Russell Lowell, poet Robert Lowell, poet Malcolm Lowry, writer

Martin Luther (1483-1546), religious

M

Hugh MadDiarmid, poet Louis MacNeice, poet Gustav Mahler, composer

Osip Mandelstam, poet James Clarence Mangan, poet Johm Martin, artist

Vladimir Mayakovsky, Russian poet Herman Melville, author Charles Mryon, artist

Michelangelo, artist John Stuart Mill Edna St Vincent Millay, poet

Kate Millett, author Charlie Mingus, musician Modigliani, artist

Adolphe Monticelli, artist Marilyn Monroe, actress Mozart, composer

John Mulhern, Wall Street trader Edvard Munch, artist Alfred de Musset, poet

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Italian political leader Modest Mussorgsky, musician

N

Napoleon, general Nebuchadnezzar Lord Nelson, statesman

Gerard de Nerval, poet Isaac Newton, scientist Friederich Nietzsche, philosopher

Vaslov Nijinsky (-1950), Russian dancer Emperor Norton I

O

Oedipus, fictional Georgia O'Keefe, artist Eugene O'Neill, playwright

P

Charles Parker, musician Francis Parkman, writer Juses Pascin, artist

Boris Pasternak, poet Cesare Pavese, poet Raphaelle peale, artist

J. C. Penney Jimmy Piersall, baseball player Robert M. Pirsig, author

William Pitt, statesman Jackson Pollack, artist Sylvia Plath, poet

Plato, philosopher, according to Aristotle Edgar Allen Poe (1809-1849), author Cole Porter, musician

Ezra Pound, poet Bud Powell, musician Alexander Pushkin, author

R

Rabelais, author Sergei Rachmaninoff, musician Rembrandt, painter

Laura Riding, poet Theodore Roethke, poet George Romney, visual arts

Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1828-1882), poet Theodore Roosevelt, US President Giocchino Rossini, musician

Mark Rothko, artist Rousseau, author John Ruskin (1819-1900), writer

S

St. Francis St. John St. Theresa

William Saroyan, author Schiller, poet Franz Schubert, composer

Robert Schumann (1810-1856), musician Delmore Schwartz, poet Alexander Scriabin, musician

Sabbatai Sevi (1626-1676), religious Anne Sexton, poet, 20th century Shapiro, modern literary scene

Mary Shelley, writer Percy Bysse Shelley, poet Richard Sheridan, playwright

William T. Sherman, soldier Christopher Smart (1722-1771), sacred lyric poet Mitch Snyder, activist

Socrates, philosopher, according to Aristotle Nicolas de Stael, artist Jean Stafford, writer

Rod Steiger, film maker Robert Louis Stevenson, writer August Strindberg, writer

William Styron, author James Swedenborg (1688-1772), Swedish philosopher

T

Torquato Tasso, Italian poet James Taylor, singer popular 1990 Peter Tchaikovsky, composer

Sara Teasdale, poet Lord Alfred Tennyson, poet Pietro Testa, artist

Dylan Thomas, poet Edward Thomas, poet Francis Thompson, poet

Henry Tilson, artist Leo Tolstoy, author Lily Tomlin, comedian and playwrite

Georg Trakl, poet Marina Tsvetayeva, poet Ted Turner, entrepreneur

Ivan Turgenev, writer Mark Twain, author

U

Utrillo, painter

V

Verlaine, poet Vermeer, painter Heinrich Von Kleist, poet

Mark Vonnegut, author

W

Richard Wagner, composer Mike Wallace, investigative reporter Peter Warlock

George Frederic Watts, artist Walt Whitman, poet Robin Williams, comedian

Tennessee Williams, author, playwriter Sir David Wilkie, artist Jonathan Winters, comedian

Hugo Wolf, Austrian composer Mary Wollstonecraft, writer Virginia Woolf, author

Y

Bert Yancy, golfer

Z

Emile Zola, writer Anders Zorn, artist