Too many qualifying TRP images

"...actually i think it doesnt matter if there are 21 pictures made by one photographer..."

 

actually it does, especially if viewers value any semblance of variety. actually it would be a simple algorithm to group the 21 top scores of 21 different photogs onto the top page. oh i see theres a 'photographers highest' page too but they usually include a bunch of single rated 7/7s by whoever happens to upload at the moment and get their 'friend' to rate them

 

"...if they are great...why not? i just cannot understand your problem here. thats just nonsense..."

 

actually they are not great, just pumped up to look that way with scores. to be great they be discussed and critically concluded to be, and not by 'popular' vote

sounds so frustrated to me.

i simply dont care.

 

much fun to you.

see you

bye bye

How many times has it been said? Okay, one more time: It matters because persons coming to the site turn to the TRPs to see the best on the site. The present system (or human nature as manifested in some pablum being posted and idolized) does not allow them to see that, or even to see a good representative sample. That said, I have no idea what the solution is. Carl and Brian (and others, including Marc G.) have thought about this problem a great deal. Methinks that a bit of respect for these sincere efforts would be in order. I don't worry too much about it for two reasons: (1) I can't change it, and (2) it doesn't affect the viewing of my own photos, which appeal to few viewers.

 

That said, it is still a problem, and for that reason I hope that Carl, Brian, et al. can work out a solution. Above all, however, let us admit that there is a problem. Otherwise, we will never fix it.

hmmm i would do that this way..

 

there is this

 

what fotographer most people are interested..

then maybe make some...hmm i am sorry ..my english suxx.

asking all memebers for there favorite fotographer..

excel-sheet---> and then make links on the site..meun-point or something

 

 

or just show the list most people are interested in and add a few..

chosen by ...by ....dont know

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just an idea...

Norbert, several versions of an interesting person's list already exist.

 

But you're still missing the point. Why would you want to know who is popular? With very few exceptions, it will only tell you who rates high and often.

As discussed earlier in this post, i suppose the 2 parties pretty well named here seem unaffected by changes to the 7 rule.

 

Their images sit on page 1...4 of them. I'm not writing this out of jealousy, don't even go there, it just seems these 4 "bit mundane" images are now surrounded by actual really great images by virtue of some rating algorythm.

 

They were not requested for critque and just magically "appeared" on page 1 out of the blue. They didn't work their way up like we all have to do. Once up there its very much harder to bring them down to their proper level. People feel intimidated to give a pic a 4/4 in the face of 15 7/7's that are present. They feel their judgement on that image should questioned.

 

Most of us post an image for critque and no matter how good it is, it starts off with less than 10 ratings from that critque usually and rarely, very rarely it gets overwhellmended with 7's. But these are consistanly a different story...not saying, or asking for a solution, just pointing it out and want to voice that it really sucks for the rest of us who go through the process fairly....Faith said it all in post 2 of this thread...all the rest seems babble.

paul, the problem is worse than you think. most people actually believe those kind of images are worth not only high ratings but also high praise. here's an example from a relative unknown on pn (actually a site feedback thread whose subject is a photo i dont wish to provide a direct link since that might be wrong, er sort of): http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=009x7T

Mr. Spahettit...uggg...can't get another name easier to spell? Mr. S :)

Given the current state of thangs not much can be done except what you already have...and i have now. Direct confrontation and questioning, brutal critquing...the dam truth. Who could even begin to expect PN to create some fix for something like this? Hard to imagine the solution.

 

It all comes down to apathy in the system. Everybody scared to speak out and confront for fear of reprisal on their own pics. But like Mr. Dylan wrote...when u ain't got nuttin u got nuttin to lose.

<i>Given the current state of thangs not much can be done except what you already have...and i have now. Direct confrontation and questioning, brutal critquing...the dam truth</i><P>

 

A few fundamentals problems with this. First, whose "dam truth?" People get to make their own choices about how much they like an image. There's not an objective standard to be applied. Second, it's a simple matter for the person who doesn't like the "brutal critquing" or low ratings to delete the image and repost it later (cleansed of the "truth" about it). And maybe post a message in the forums whining about how some evil people ruined their ratings . . .

to me it is okay if someone rates low--she or he should leave an comment..WHY she hethinks that a certain picture sucks.actually this is whatwill make me learn something..nobody writes anything...not much constructive critism..just a few do so..actually i know that very well..because i am a newbie..so no1 tells me what i can improve at my images..i cannot tell any1 anything, i wish i could..buti just know very little about taking photos.

 

to mention something here..i didint read the complete thread...so i might say something that maybe has been allready discussed or i might ask something that is very clear to you...anyway.

 

i really have to say that it kind of makes me sick how muchpeople care about htis image-rating-thing...but this comes out of how i see photography..to me it is just an hobby..i dont want to represnt my stuff here..cause actually i havent got much...i just want to learn something..seeing other pictures ..because i really like looking at them...now you guys pop up with such problems..thats wiered because you said some pictures are rated unfairly high by getting 7/7s without an end..and you want to chnage the rating systemsomehow...to provoid unfair ratings.

 

and now i ask you

 

who is the guy to judge?

 

 

its not you

 

to my opinon no1 should judge if it is right that there are 7 out of 21 pictures made by one and the same guy..who actually is getting harmed?no1

if you are so serioes about your work get a damn homepage.

 

pff

just nonsense here...

Norbert, yes, it is clear you haven't read all of this thread . . . or many others like it. You don't seem to accept the idea that many members would like the TRP pages to serve a different function than the one you want, but what you want seems to be contradictory. If you want the results of a poularity contest determined as much by the rates you offer others as the quality of your images, then leave it alone. But if you want to learn something about photography on this part of the site, then you should lobby for a selection process that encourages both more advanced images and a serious discussion about them. Changing the sorts could make a difference.

 

Which one do you want?

good awnser.

yes your are right.okay...but getting to this point you talk about will cause a lot of work to the adminstrator.so i think you should think of an solution and then mail it..best luck to you!

i just have no idea..but if something is up..some poll where you can choose what system should be done i think ill help out for the best ..

 

know what i mean..maybe some questioning with statistcs would help to show what most people want..define the question and then make some changes..got me right?

 

anyway, see you!

 

regards

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http://www.photo.net/photo/1938508

 

 

not that good...but why 1/1..no1 said anything..thats mostly my problem..why dont make a system where you can only rate when you write a comment..?

but actually i think this wouldnt help much..

 

but something i really think is neccesary to change is that members without uploaded pictures should not be allowed to rate.

because when there is no picture i cannot write a comment on their portfolio that they should leave a comment..haha

 

just fooling a round..anyway...

see you

As usuall you take everything i say out of context. The "dam truth" as YOU see it, without the apathy or fear of loss to your own ratings from reprisal. Of course nobody has the final word and its all subjective, but theres images mate rated with the mates glorious comments of praise plastered all over it...lots of people don't want to rock the boat....the truth by definition could never be "evil", just mistakenly wrong, Mike.

you got no friends?....oh, poor mike...can i be your friend?

Norbert, before you make that offer you should know that I don't give out models' phone numbers, but I do sometimes call at 4 a.m. looking for someone to come bail me out of jail again.

 

I have decided to put some photos up on in my portfolio so people can give them low ratings in retaliation for the things I say. I do appreciate particularly clever insults, so those are welcome. And just so Paul can play, nonsensical ranting is also welcome, though I reserve the right to ridicule the incoherence of the person doing it.

Mike thanks. I would love to rate your pics and am sure they don't reflect the photographer in any way. Hope you have good blokens. And Mike while your here can you take a look at this before we have to redeploy the troops? Thanks.

 

http://www.photo.net/photo/2833276

i am not looking for models phonenumbers..

4am...if you were in jail and you would call at this time..

i would telle you that it is okay with me if you stay there for some

hours more..they will let you go..i am sure.jk

regards

what's TRP?

TRP stands for "Top Rated Pictures"

or something like that.

I checked out the link you left. It's a pretty good photo. There is a huge variation when I looked at the ratings breakdown. I noticed a large number of very high ratings. I also noticed a smaller, yet still significant number of very low ratings. My 14 year old daughter (who rates much more conservatively than I) is sitting here with me and when the photo you mentioned came up on my screen she said; "That's beautiful". Then we looked throught the ratings breakdown. She asked me why so many people rated it so well and then quite a few "just ripped it apart" leaving no comments as to how to improve it. I explained the many resons for this and my daughter was appauld that adults would be so childish. One of the things I explained is that if this photo got nothing but "high" ratings it might knock one of the TRP "locals" out of their position. So, I've seen a trend of ensuring that this doesn't happen. Yes, there is too much strategic over rating. But, there is also too much strategic underrating as well.

I guess it comes down to this. Everyone is on this site for a reason. There are many different reasons. Depending on your MO or reson for using photo.net you'll use it's services differently to fit your needs. Seems everyone is doing it and there are many different needs (sadly, some even feel it boosts their self esteem, so they may "cheat" and complain).

 

Smiles,

Lisa

First: Nobert- you are AWESOME!

Second: Paul- why are you so rude to Mike?

Third: Mike- Why are you so sardonic to Paul? and why would you be jail?

Fourth: I really didn't read much so I don't know why you guys are arguing, it is kinda amuzing to read, actually. I just hate seeing two great photographers duke it out on a web-site that many people (like myself) have no clue what they're doing anyways.

Lastly: Yes, I am nosey, so I'm pain in the butt, so what? Just wanted to add my 2 sense. OKAY, you got me, I'm just trying to be funny! I know I'm the stand up comedian who gets tomatoes hurled at them. Hehe. We should all just get along, ok?<div></div>

<i>Third: Mike- Why are you so sardonic to Paul? and why would you be jail?</i><P>

I tried rational arguments, but that didn't seem to have much effect on him. Being sardonic is much less effort and even more fun.<P>

I was in jail for chasing someone with a chainsaw (some girl who just wouldn't stop asking questions). Anything else you wanna know? Hhuh?!?

Funny!