Too many qualifying TRP images

. . . not when Brian's only rated two images.

 

The other one is even more telling.

I'm confused. Do you consider those two images to be 'very good' or not?

Where do you see what ratings he's given? I only see "ratings received"?

He just deleted them. That section only appears if you've rated images, even if it's only one and it isn't high enough to appear on your favorites page.

Ah ok. Strange that he hasn't commented on anything that has been said in this thread. Would be interesting to know Brian's view.

People please.......just post your images to the "Critique Only Forum" and campaign for better visibility for the Forum.

Spaghetti Western, your little snipe at me was classicly stupid PN herd-blabber: when you can't have something intelligent to say, you go ad hominem. Classic MO of a gutless idiot who won't post his own photos. Your inference is totally misplaced. I have a lot of respect for a number of photographic disciplines beyond street. Just because I'm not a particular fan of an over-PS'd photo that looks like a bad Christmas paperweight doesn't mean I don't like it because its not street. I just don't like it because, in my opinion, it looks cartoonish. Sorry.

The message I get from this site recently is this: Don't contribute money. Upload 3,4,500 images if I please. Give out high ratings galore. Get visability. Will it be valuable feedback? Probably not. But it sure as hell beats getting no feedback what so ever. It's funny though, another photo site on the internet that use to have that philosophy just went 'pay only' because of the non-paying bandwidth drainers.

 

Make the TRP members only and see how quick you get donators!!!

Keith posted 3 images comment only this AM as of this minute - zero - comments. Could be they just suck of course or not anyones cup of tea... :-)

Keith, The critique-only section isn't working very well. People are more interested in uploading four at a time than building up good faith credit by actually writing thoughtful critiques. That was the benefit of the old critique circles. You were expected to discuss ALL the uploads in the group and one upload per person per week turned out to be about right.

Dave, Carl.

 

It's not working because there is no visibility. Or could it be that all those people who have said in the past that ratings mean nothing to them were fibbing ;-)

Carl, I concur with Keith. It needs visiblity. Whether I upload one image or 4 who cares? Pick one out and comment on it. Not much of that happening though. It will be a failure until the rest of the people see value in it. All they see now is images going up and no comments being made... Doesn't that just make ya want to dive in with both feet???

I will say that it is nice to be able to comment on most images that come in the critique only queue though... lol.

"...It's not working because there is no visibility..."

 

there are posters there who do or should comment and consistently repost there so you can add them to your interested persons list and help build it as a community. what you really dont need are the self-serving and ego-massaging "nice job" fly by comments which is the run of the mill in the visibility forums. you should really want quality visibility and not settle for that from thumbnail views. ahhhh, but what does a gutless herd-blabbing idiot like me know since i dont post pics. perhaps my ad hominem friend has something more intelligent to say about the subject

<i>"Or could it be that all those people who have said in the past that ratings mean nothing to them were fibbing ;-)"</i><p>I've just reread my comment and have realised that it could be misconstrued. I would like to make it quite clear that I wasn't having a dig at Carl or Dave here. Truth be told I'm absolutely amazed by Carl's determination and resilience. Where he finds the energy and determination to continue trying to make this a better place for us all to use is beyond me, especially when so many of his images seem to me to be under-appreciated or even the target of abusive ratings.<p>

 

Basically I've given up, but really appreciate the efforts of others with more energy and patience are continuing the battle.

Keith, I appreciate your support. (Being a stubborn cuss comes naturally. :-)) At least you're still uploading images that inspire many of us.

 

Lack of visibility is part of it - many long time members don't know it's even there - but the real problem, as I see it, is that there's a culture of getting more than giving which is all too pervasive, especially among newer members who are initially attracted by site promotions promising critiques.

I noticed a number of "regulars" here complaining about the lack of activity in the Critique Only Forum. I gave this forum a try a few days ago by posting a B&W street scene (I hope it qualifies for that category), which is a departure from my typical nature uploads. Several of my "friends" commented on my upload and one other individual whom I had not interacted with previously. That's it. While I certainly appreciate the feedback from my "friends", the lack of feedback from others, particularly from photographers with more experience than I in the genre, provides me with little incentive to post to that forum in the future.

i was an advocate of the critique-only forum, but so far have only posted to it once in awhile. i don't care much about ratings, but my experience is that feedback is veeeerrrryyy slow in coming in that forum so far. poor feedback (e.g., by way of numbers) is better than (almost) none.

 

regardless of where you post, my view is that those who care should commit themselves to writing as many thoughtful comments as they can and make connection with photographers they are interested in, whether or not the site shows an interest in supporting that approach, and trust that what goes around comes around.

 

debates about trps and "fixing" ratings are ultimately going to be frustrating. the site is readily accessible and, therefore, subject to abuse by whoever spends a little time trying to manipulate it. i don't think the site managers should spend as much time trying to stop bad behavior as they should promoting the paths they want the committed viewers/membership to pursue. time is a precious commodity. so is the spirit of a "community;" it needs to be encouraged, nourished, guided to stay strong. too much of trying to "stop the negative" can be discouraging, and lead to actions that affect all of us (like making ratings anonymous).

Steve, you're asking for a lot, expecting us to comment on images in the no-rate section when comments on many of your friends' images in the TRP section are not welcome. Look at the mates' comments on some of the images in this section that try to offer rates!

 

I expect this section to be hijacked fairly soon, just like the TRP.

Perhaps the site could put a symbol by subscribers names for those that take a pledge to be thick skinned and not retaliate for critiques that may be negative (but not abusive). If the subscriber retaliates then the symbol would be removed by the moderators. This would allow those of us that attempt to give helpful critique a little more assurance that we won't be "ranted" at for expressing an opinion. Not sure whether or not this would be successful, but it might not be difficult to implement. The symbol could be next to the subscriber symbol so it would be easy to view in the critique forum.

Peter ... do not advertize too much about Leica forum or they 'd become polluted as well. I'm a frequent watcher of those, not a poster (I don't won a Leica) and I do appreciate them..<p>

John R, I'd be happy to join your club whenever<p>Carl, althought we desagree sometime, I am with u on this<p> Paul G, politically correct concept is still alive, and you can't call a cat a cat witjout being called a dog.... should we live with that absurdity? NO!! of course!!

Peter u 'd correct my typo 'won' is 'own' (although I'd like to WIN a Leica thou)...<p>;^)

<i>Paul G, politically correct concept is still alive, and you can't call a cat a cat witjout being called a dog.... should we live with that absurdity? NO!! of course!!</i><P>

I didn't call Paul G. a "dog" because he called "a cat a cat." I just noted he was a sort of <i>cat</i> for trying to pretend he didn't really say what he obviously said.

Dave> Keith posted 3 images comment only this AM as of this minute - zero - comments. Could be they just suck of course or not anyones cup of tea... :-)

 

Dave, Keith Laban has given out 2 ratings and 33 comments (incl those on his own photo pages) in the last 4 years. Nothing wrong with that, but lack of reciprocality by the users of the critique-only forum will only lead to it dying fast (or as someone above said, being taken over by the mates). This is OT, but I feel that the point has to be made...

Mike happy you're alive and reactive... cat have said to have 7 lives and 2 tongues (at least) ... don't take it personal but I feel too many people take too many things at first degree... so if say I dont like this singer.. and this singer happen to have a jewish name ... people start to say I hate jewish...! I thing start to get wrong (I happen to happen to have some jewish blood too!!)... so you see the limit of the exercise... i hope. So what's wrong with 'Russian mafia' expression; everybody know what's mean, as well as Corsican mafia, so let's stop the stupid ethnic bashing' (by the way some of my ancestors are polish and russian too)...! <p> And ByzeWay I like your bio portrait... reminds me some monkeys of Nikko Temple (Japan): no see, no hear, no talk... sorry just teasin'... and byze way too the discussion on your POW was the most enjoyable discussion ... ever.