nomade Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I would like to rate this shot: http://www.photo.net/photo/2693101 but I can't...! Why is that? How was the rating option disabled? The author asked for a "critique only" option inmediatly after receiving a few rates? Hmm... something's irregular here, specially for an average shot receiving three high marks in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_hohner Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Looks like another way to manipulate the rating system. With the "critique only" option you now can not only up-rate your pictures, but you can also inhibit others from down-rating again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_hohner Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Just to make sure, I'm not saying that it happened intentionally in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemarcus Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 The "Submit for critique only" option is available at the time of submission to the Critique Forum, even if a photo has already received ratings prior to that point. This "loophole" in the system is being used by some members to lock in high rating averages for their photos. IMO, the "Submit for critique only" option should be disabled for photos that have already received ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomade Posted September 14, 2004 Author Share Posted September 14, 2004 I could not agree more with you about that!! Probably Brian's already aware of this "backdoor" and is already in his to-do list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Can a "critique only" shot show up in the TRP if it already had ratings before switching? I think that's what some people (overzealously) care about, since it determines visibility. It seems to me that the database could be set up such that existing ratings basically don't count for anything if the photographer switches to critique only for a photo. In other words, regardless of previously given ratings, that photo has the same priveleges and restrictions as any other CO photo once that is selected. There could be concerns about toggling back and forth to control it, but as long as it doesn't really result in anything on the other side, it's probably not worth getting too worked up over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_e Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 As the "author" of this shot I think it makes sense to take part. Interesting for you to have a look at the background , I think. I posted 66 photos up to today. 27 of them got ratings before I asked for critique. This I do "without rating" fundamentally because of an experience I made before. I had already posted some pictures as I made the mistake to make some purposes in my thread http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008q3n . The answer was that I was visited by a certain initial which rated the whole folder with 1 or 2! In this way its not really pleasing to present pictures. Others made this experience too. I have the habit to post several pictures all at once, as a "theme" for example. Its the time between posting and asking for critique the pictures are noticed mainly by members who are interested in you. As always. Consequently you should limit the amount of pictures being posted a day at 4 also. Its a good idea to eliminate pictures already rated from "asking for critique only". Although that would include that you have to delete and reposte them when you already got a rating. RE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanovandelli Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Nestor, amicably and with respect I must disagree with your stance on this. In the critique list of the photo in question you have left a comment as follows: "If you are a honest person, you should delete it and re-ask for a "critique only" option. Let me know if you do that, I'll be prompt to critique it accordingly." Well, your comment implies that until the photo has been deleted the photographer is behaving dishonestly. I don't see any evidence of any dishonest behaviour, only a system bug/loophole that should be corrected by the site owners. Vent your frustation at them not at the photographer. Moreover, I thought that this site guidelines clearly state that the critique thread should only be used for critiquing the photo. Your comment should have been made in private through email OR on through this forum as a request to the moderators. Finally, I personally think that the loophole should be eliminated and I add my voice to those in favour of a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_hohner Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Maybe the "do not rate" option should be a parameter of the picture and not a parameter of the critique request. This would also avoid people rating "test shots" that were only uploaded for illustration purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 In this case, I'd agree that the comment about honesty suggests a little too unnecessary an assumption... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomade Posted September 14, 2004 Author Share Posted September 14, 2004 Well... now that I re-read my post there, I see my mistake. I'll try to amend it right now. Thanks for making me see my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micheleberti Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 <blockquote><p><i>The "Submit for critique only" option is available at the time of submission to the Critique Forum, even if a photo has already received ratings prior to that point. This "loophole" in the system is being used by some members to lock in high rating averages for their photos. IMO, the "Submit for critique only" option should be disabled for photos that have already received ratings.</i></p></blockquote><p><b>Exactly</b>. You got it! This is a strategy used in the new rating-system to book in advance and prior the Critique Requeste one of the firsts position of the TRP. IMHO</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemarcus Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Lest there be any misunderstanding, the comment I posted above was not directed toward RE, as I do not believe the current status of the photo in question was the result of manipulation on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomade Posted September 14, 2004 Author Share Posted September 14, 2004 Now the chance to rate it is available. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemarcus Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Like Nestor, I just noticed that the "Rate" option has been restored to the photo that was the original topic of this thread (http://www.photo.net/photo/2693101). Furthermore, I noticed that photos in another high visibility portfolio, which previously were non-ratable, have had the "Rate" option restored to them as well. It therefore appears that a system-wide change may have been implemented along the lines of the suggestion I made earlier in this thread. If this is the case, I applaud the change. That said, there is an interesting discussion evolving in the comment thread associated with the above-mentioned photo. It appears that an individual, well known to many participants here, made, shall we say, a rather sudden appearance that coincided with the restoration of rating privileges for the photo. While the restoration of the "Ratings" option and virtually simultaneous appearance of this individual may be purely coincidental, I am disturbed by the implications with regard to the identity (or source) of the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_nitsche Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Seems that images that requested 'comment only critiques' that had no ratings have stayed that way. Only images with points and then requested are opened back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry_anacleto Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Here's a crazy idea. Get a freakin life and stop moaning like a 3 year old girl. Funny idea but try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_e Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 So I wait for to be told one day a better solution to exclude abstruse, agressive low - rating from the rating system. (For not beeing misunderstood: a 3 for aestectics with the argument "I dont like green" for example does not mean a problem for me...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomade Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 You're taking the rating game too seriously. If you really want to learn, you already know the "critique only" forum is the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_e Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Woldnt call it a "game", but youre right its taken too seriously sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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