gonzalomoreno Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Hello, I have a few years experience printing from 35mm and MF in my own lab. As I am also working with LF (4x5) I want to make contacts, not for proofing, but as the final print. Of course the subject is always a simple one, so that size will not become a problem. My question is, how to implement burning and dodging?. As the image is not being projected from the enlarger, how can I see the limits of my burning or dodging? Thanks a lot for your replies and best regards, Gonzalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_blackman1 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Gonzalo, you dodge & burn a contact in exactly the same way you do with a projected image - hold back the light to dodge, add to burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzalomoreno Posted November 5, 2004 Author Share Posted November 5, 2004 No way, Mark. When I use an enlarger (imagine I want to dodge), I actually see the projected image in the card I use for dodging, so, I know where to stop the card movement. With a contact I have plain ligh coming from the enlarger so I can not see the area I want to dodge. Regards, Gonzalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Watch the shadow (or spot) on the contact frame. The image is very hard to see, but it's there nonetheless. That's the same technique as dodging/burning an enlargement. I never look for the image on the back of the dodging tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnanian Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 hi gonzalo - i use my hands to burn and dodge instead of a card or "tools". i don't project light that much bigger than the negative i am printing ( 4x5 - 8x10 ) and my hands are pretty close to the negative so i can see what part of the negative is getting / not getting light. it is kind of hard at first but after a few negatives you get the hang of it ... and it becomes second nature. good luck! john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_workman Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Dodging contacts manually is tough unless the negs are fairly thin. Taping the neg to a clear sheet allows you to create a mask for dodging using dyes or marker pens. Once you get the mask densities as you desire, uniform prints are a breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_ellis3 Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 I always found dodging and burning difficult to do with contact prints. I could do it o.k. when the area was clearly delineated and simple, e.g. burning the sky with a more or less straight horizon line, but I never acauired the skill to do the more intricate things that I could with an enlarger. While it's possible to see what you're doing, it isn't easy and you certainly can't see as well as you can with an enlarger where the tools are in between the light source and the paper. The reflections from the contact printing frame glass were an added problem. Back in the days when contact printing was the norm they made contact printing boxes with banks of lights that could be turned on or off. These still show up used occasionally on e bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c4-contemporary-art Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 How about this... either A) print a half-size reduction of the contact or else B) shrink it on a photocopier to use as a template to cut out a black mask - either way you cut out a mask for dodging/burning and use that above the contact - as long as something of the border is intact so you can judge the approximate position within the frame (or not - if you can memorize the approx. location in the image frame. The motion I would recommend (for half size) is to move it continuously up and down between half the height to the lens and the contact itself - so the 'magnified silhouette' of the mask is increasing and decreasing - or whatever other motion the image warrants depending on the desired tonal distribution. Best of luck, Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzalomoreno Posted November 8, 2004 Author Share Posted November 8, 2004 "shrink it on a photocopier to use as a template to cut out a black mask" Very good idea Jonathan. I will try it. Best regards, Gonzalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_walton2 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Some of the techniques above are very good. What also helps is to have a lot longer time and do this by stopping your lens down. This will do several things... it will make your dodges and burns much more smooth and give you time to do it very nicely. Make a sketch or take a wasted contact sheet of the same contact setup and use that as a guide to see where you need to B & D. Also, flashing helps! Take a "glassine" 4x5 negative envelope... a Savage Glassine works great! After you have done your known (good) base exposure, take about 1/10th of the time and set your timer to that and expose your contact through the sleeve. This effectively will burn your highlights and slightly lower the contrast by 1/2 of a grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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