Where can we find now photographs...

...that the photographer asked for a critique without rates?

Nestor, this is what Brian posted in <a href="http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008tcc"> another recent thread...</a><p>

Brian Mottershead , jul 19, 2004; 08:54 p.m.

More than a couple of days; less than a month.<p>He was referring to the timeframe for this new feature, which shouldn't be that far away now.

I see the option now but don't know if it works or not.

Maybe you're asking a different question. Does posting an image without rates get marked or categorized in any way so others can find it? Keep in mind it won't show up on the default portfolio view which requires a ten rate minimum. Maybe we're meant to create a 'Rateless' folder. . . . . . .

If you submit a photo for critique, and check "critique only", it will turn off rating on that particular photo. The photo will be presented in the "List" and "New" options for the various categories within the Critique Forum, along with the ratable photos. It won't be in the "slide show" Photocritique UI, which depends on the number of ratings to order the photos. A "critique only" that was put into the Photocritique UI wouldn't cycle down the list, so they cannot be put into that venue. Anyway, that is mainly a rating venue. Since they don't get ratings, "critique only" photos won't appear in the T *R* P. As the TRP is presently structured, photos must have at least one rating to be in any of the rankings, even the ones that otherwise don't ostensibly depend on ratings, such as "Number of Comments" or "Number of Views".

 

This is is what people said they wanted. Of course, implicitly they also wanted some venue where people would be able to find their "critique only" photos, and critique them. At present, a critique-only photo is basically invisible, except for fleetingly being a "new" Critique Request, or if someone does a "List" of the critique requests.

 

I don't intend to leave it this way (although it does rather underline the point I have been making). I am still thinking about what the "critique only" venue might be.

That was the answer I was looking for. Thanks again.

I have just asked the same....

"I am still thinking about what the "critique only" venue might be."

 

Circles?

unfortunately, critique-only photos are only as visible as access to them is provided. i really encourage you to at least experiment with a way to allow us to find them readily, such as in a separate photo category that can be selected, or circles, or something. otherwise, i think its too easy for the general viewing pn "public" to see these photos as another form of "just for exhibition" style photograph, and not comment at all. thanks for taking step brian, i hope you can find a way to complete the process.

What is Critique "UI"?

 

Would it not be possible to include the "Critique Only" photos in all Critique options but

control their appearance by a time limit (since uploading) or by number of "critiques".

 

I feel limiting ANY photos appearance in a critique list based on time is a considerably

more democratic process as it gives equal visibility to ALL photos.

 

 

 

Louis

UI = User Interface

 

"equal visibility to ALL photos."

 

So you want to give equal visibility for the best shots of the master photographers around the site as the pure crappy, absolute beginner's and persistent snappers' shots, that makes 70% of the posted images...?

 

You should keep in mind that the site is for viewers also, and not only hungry-for-feedback shooters. And that makes the main attitude for most of the photo-netters, even the poster ones.

Part of the reason there are so many images per day is that a fair number of people upload multiples. Try a sort using 'photographer's highest' and you'll see a significant drop in the number.

I have missed the point of your post. How does putting a time limit gave more preference

to "crappy" photos.

 

The reverse is true if you think about it.

 

Currently a 'master' photographer puts up an image and with the ratings procedure after

he gets 10 rates in 10 minutes and is seen by "X" number of viewers he is then dropped

out of the list or pretty close to it. The "non master" puts up a poorer image and takes for

ever to get his 10 rates and is then dropped down also -perhaps after 1 2 or 3 days.

 

WHO has the most visibility?

You don't understand the system. . . . but then no one really does, and when the sorts change, then we have to reassess. The short answer, since this ratings discussion is OT, is that the faster you get your rates, the more visibility you get on the TRP. That's where the views accumulate, not the ratings queue. Suffice it to say that images marked for no rates will receive very few views.

Let me see if I get what you are saying... It seems to me that you are talking about the Photo Critique rotation... isn't it?

 

Two thoughts about that. First, the rotation is already time limited, for three days at maximum, after that is difficult to get more rates from there, chances for that are drastically reduced.

 

Second, the Photo Critique rotation section is not the place where shots gain more visibility, but is the TRPs; a good shot get high scores in the rotation and goes to the first TRPs, where it gets more ratings, comments, etc.; a poor image, get only ten or few more scores in the rotation, but as the average is low, it doesn't go to the first TRPs. Then, better shots get more visibility.

 

But as all these statements are based on my experience visiting both sections, and not on real numbers, take my words only as a subjective perception. Probably Brian M. could support or rebate this fact with some truthful statistics.

my previous comment was meant as an answer for the latest Louis' post.

"Suffice it to say that images marked for no rates will receive very few views."

 

Hope this is not for too long... I would like my photos to be more visible in order to get more critiques...or at least one...

There are no tags which show where a rate or a view comes from. It could be the ratings queue, various TRP sorts, the recent uploads (categories), a portfolio visit, or your member page (which shows your last three uploads). Nonrated images can be seen in the last three, but not the first two.

I think I understand the system. Nothing in your post points otherwise unless you wish to

explain my misunderstanding.

I don't know where the ratings come from either, since it is not recorded. I have been planning to start recording this information for quite a while, since I would be very interested in knowing this myself.

 

However, from indirect evidence, I would say that the majority of photos get almost all of their first 10 or 15 ratings from the Photocritique UI. After the first 10 to 15 ratings, photos get their ratings from being on the TRP pages.

 

People who are active raters/commenters can also get a lot of ratings and comments by people clicking on their names and looking at their portfolio, but this does not explain most of the ratings that occur in the first 3 days, since someone looking at a portfolio is no more likely to rate a recent photo than an older one. Being on a lot of "Interesting People" lists helps some people get ratings for their photos.

"There are no tags which show where a rate or a view comes from." We already know that, I based my statement on my personal experience. But that's why I said that Brian could support or rebate that perception with numbers, that only he as administrator can access.

I hope you'll be able to gather data on individual images rather than simply looking at average daily views and rates for each interface.

perhaps Brian should add "non-rated" as an accessible feature (with its own list) above the photo critique forum's "critique by category" heading list so that people interested in finding interesting no-rate photos to discuss or comment can do so. from this PN could develop a data baseline to determine how worthwhile is the no-rate request feature

and it's done: subscriber's critique requests / critiques-only

? How, I wonder, is this going to make people comment more? Hmm, well I hope someone gets some use out of it....J