No more 1.3 on the 1D??

Looks like from now on all the pro bodies are going to be full frame.

This is from Popular Photography.

 

CANON GOES 24x36 SENSOR FOR PRO SLRS, APS FOR AMATEUR:

Canon identified better saturation, greater ISO range, easier use of

wide-angle lenses, and less noise as some of the reasons for

preferring 24x36mm CMOS sensors for pro cameras. Canon predicted the

cost of such sensors might drop slightly, but would remain

sufficiently high to put them out of amateur range, where APS-size

sensors would continue to rule. Aside from some special wide-angle

lenses, Canon doesn�t expect to field an entire range of APS-

dedicated lenses. Instead, Canon thinks digital camera owners will

continue to use the standard array of Canon lenses, present and

future.

I wonder where the original info is from - and if it's accurate? I don't remember seeing any press releases from Canon on this subject.

 

If true, who's taking bets on which sensor the digital version of the EOS-3 will have and how much it will cost? With the 1.3x sensor 1D priced around $2800 and the full frame 1Ds still close to $8000 it's an intersting question. Full frame and $5000+ or smaller sensor and under $3000? Which would you pick...

Here is the link.

http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?article_id=766&section_id=5&page_number=4

It looks like "hearsay" information, something told to PopPhoto editors by unnamed sources in the industry in Japan. While I'm sure much of it is accurate I doubt that any camera company is going to provide any inside information relating to its plans that might be of use to its competitors in product planning for the future.

 

If I were talking to PopPhoto and I were not as honest as I am (!) I might even let slip a little disinformation to throw off my competitors, or at least make statements that could easily be interpreted wrongly!

We shall all see at PMA. We just have to wait 2 more months!

 

Alex

but what they mean by amateur...? Is 1Ds is an amateur system? From another piece here http://www.popphoto.com/article.asp?article_id=766&section_id=5&page_number=12

"In Japan, major customers for medium format are pros�unlike the U.S., where amateurs account for the highest percentage." If medium format is for amateur, then 1Ds is probably also an amateur system and it is already a full frame.

 

You can read it any way you want really.

Bob,

 

My bet's on: EOS3-based body, 7-8MP, $3500, 1.6x sensor

 

and a 12-25mm "L" aoom lens, no new wide primes,

 

unveiled at the next big show, PMA or Phtokina or whatever, the one in the spring

1.6x sensor, no... Canon won't go to a smaller sensor than the 1D. A new zoom, I

doubt it (maybe an IS update to the 70-200/4.. but that's just my wish). Canon

discontinued 3 primes this year: 200/1.8, 85/1.2, 50/1.0 -- all their super fast glass.

Could they be replacing them? I doubt it as high-iso sensors are doing quite well &

this much glass is VERY expensive to make... but who knows. I don't care. A

decently priced FF body would make my happy, but as of right now I'm still thrilled w/

my stinky D60's photos. ;)

I still say the reason we don't have full frame yet is because of yield. You simply can't make a die with that kind of surface area and expect to get many good ones. Really I should go look up the yield equations in my Computer Architecture textbook, but I just finished finals and I don't feel like consulting the flesh-bound tome at the moment.

The words "greater ISO range" gave away the ignorance of the source. Thus, everything they said is automtically disqualified (even though Canon may indeed drop the 1.3, eventually).

This crazy ONE PARAGRAPH article with NO HARD INFORMATION has sure made its away around the forums. Gads.

IMHO anything other than a full frame sensor would give a signal of stagnation. Let's call a spade a spade. A 50mm lens should result in a a 50mm field of view. Conversion factors clutter the pompany's prosumer image. I might be old school but any lens wider than 20mm feels like an aberration.

This is pure hearsay.They heard it from the kid who delivers pizzas--who in turn heard it from the "pro" along the street when he stopped to admire his camera gear (eos 1Ds with 28-90 lens)

If I were a betting man: I would put $$ down on Canon staying with the three magnification factors of 1x, 1.3x & 1.6x.

 

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Yeah. I'm betting on 1x as well ;-)

Here's some info for ya - it won't be the 1D. The 1D will ALWAYS have a 1.3x crop,

because there's only ever to be one 1D!

 

Maybe there'll be a full frame successor to the 1D, but it'll be called something else -

like the 1Dh or the 1Di or something.

 

Can anyone name a Canon EOS camera that's been changed or updated in any

significant way that was designated the same as its predecessor?

 

I didn't think so.

 

In any event, folks hoping for a 10D that's been updated for the EF-S mount (gak) or a

1D that's suddenly the resolution of the 1Ds had better bone up on Canon's product

naming scheme - new product, new designation.

I concur with Steven Clark. My engineering "gut" and years in electronics design/development still tell me that Canon's long range game plan is to conform its dSLR product line to its extensive range of 35mm lenses, eventually eliminating all the focal-length / angle of view conversion hassles.

 

The only obstacles are manufacturing yields and economies of scale. This phenomenon is very highly analogous to the LCD flat panel industy. Five years ago, a 14" flat panel display cost $2,500; today, a very good 19" display can be had for $600-700. (That's an 84% increase in viewing area and a 72% price reduction!) What happened? Improved manufacturing capacity and yields.

 

Regarding the 1D, it's the only Canon dSLR with a CCD sensor instead of CMOS. Didn't I read somewhere that Canon gets those from another supplier? My crystal ball tells me that the 1D's eventual successor will contain a Canon-manufactured CMOS sensor, and that it will certainly be no smaller than the current 1.3x size.

Trouble is Canon also stated that the price of FF sensors will remain high for quite some time, so if 1D was to move to FF, it price would have to rise considerably. Now given the competition from Nikon with the D2H this could be suicidal, or it could mean the new 1D is so superior to D2H and current 1D that PJ's and pros won't give a hoot about paying say $5000USD. H0owever, that begs the question, if the new 1D is so good and FF and say is 8MP, 8fps, ISO 3200, who would really buy the 1Ds?

 

Personally I have two scenarios:

a) No EOS 3D so 1Dr is 8MP, 8fps, ISO 3200, 1.3x FOV

b) EOS 3D is announced at 8-10MP, 1.3x FOV 4fps, 10-16 frames and 1Dr is 6MP, 8-10fps, 30-40 frames, 1.3x FOV

 

Canon won't develop L glass for smaller sensors and may introduce a 12-24 zoom in EF-S format.

 

???????

Wayne;

 

I've been thinking (I know => danger! danger!).

 

(pure speculation mode)

In the last year, Canon has introduced new lenses with new cameras. The 17-40/4L with the 10D and the 18-55EF-S and 55-200 with the dRebel.

 

With that in mind, any lenses released at PMA would match a body released at PMA. Since the likely body is a 1D replacement, it stands to reason that we will see an upscale lens for that body. That rules out any EF-S lenses. If the camera is full frame, or 1.3x crop, then maybe we will get (drum roll please) a 24-70/4L!!!!

 

Of course, if the 1D replacement is a 1.6 crop camera, then an EF-S mount is probable. In that case, you may well see a 12-24/4L-EFS (scary). I doubt that this will happen, since many will regard a 1.6 cropped sensor as a step back for the camera, even if it retains the 45pt AF system and large buffer of the current 1D.

(/pure speculation mode off)