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I'm starting to learn my Nikon Coolscan V. I'm experimenting with converting color to

black and white. This evening I dropped in a slide from a pile I have on my desk. All I

really did was scan in the image and conver to grayscale -- and then applied unsharp

mask, resized, applied unsharp mask again, and adjusted contrast and brightness.

 

With the color image, I basically did the same thing -- but also adjusted saturation.

 

I'm not particularly pleased with the sharpness of the image -- comments are

appreciated and any suggestions are welcomed.

 

I'l probably have to do this in two posts.

 

Bob<div>007iEY-17057984.jpg.e92e17cda248f090459a4d1079b5b2bb.jpg</div>

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I am definetly a fan of the colour version here. B&W can sometimes help viewers to focus on the subject of an image, but the colour range here is very unified and mutued, with nothing too glaring or distracting. Instead, I feel that there is a warmth here that is missing in the b&w version.
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I think the B&W is better except for the level of detail in the

smokers face. If I tilt my lcd just right, I can see some detail in the

smoker's face in the color version, but it's gone in the B&W. I

have no experience with neg scanners, but if it was a flatbed I

probably start playing with the scanner's gamma adjustment.

You might also try turning up the brightness a bit. It seems like

this kind of thing just takes a lot of fiddling with. Once you get a

good baseline conversion figured, save it as an action, and

adjust individually from there.

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I agree with the comments around no detail in the face.... I actually found another

slide I took of the same man, but a little closer. I'll try to work with that tomorrow. I

remember taking the photo after about a 10 hour bus ride...

 

I'll try playing with the gamma and brightness a bit, too...

 

Thanks everyone -- I really do appreciate the help!

 

Bob

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Bob, I think both (b&w as well as color) may work. Gamma calibration is crucial with this picture, though. And I, personally, think "fine tuning" is, too. With all due respect I'm proposing two attempts of my own to balance your pic. Cheers.<div>007iOv-17061784.jpg.a2d4d1329ccade9386523fa0ad535190.jpg</div>
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i don't usually mess with other peoples images - so forgive me, but here's a way to gain so

detail in that face. select the face area only, mess around with levels, curves and contrast

to give the appearance of detail. nothing was added. i just lightened the face and then

increased it's contrast. nothing else was changed.<div>007iP2-17061984.jpg.23a6314e555ae122abfabdc3b0a07d9a.jpg</div>

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Lutz -- I really like what you did on both the PC and Mac gamma versions -- please share

what you did!

 

DP -- I couldn't agree with you more -- a second more would have illuminated his face...

that would've been perfect.

 

I wasn't going so much for the man sitting there as I was the 'mood' of what I was seeing

-- a very small cafe in a Havana hotel -- the smoothness of night rolling in....

 

Thanks again to all.... all great comments.... I'll try to post more tonight -- along with

some thoughts I have of Cuba...

 

---Bob

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Seems like everybody is posting a version of it, so...

 

Comments: both the black and white points fall short of the mark and the lit spot on the wall is burnt out - one of the problems of shooting harsh contras situations with colour negs and expected the exposure lattitude to hold.

 

I find that this image has a lot of detail available beut requires a reasonable amount of dodging to achieve good tonality with detail.

 

just my 2 RMB

 

Craig / Beijing<div>007iWJ-17064784.jpeg.e50300adae6a03b5981cc5654b691e5a.jpeg</div>

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I prefer the originals to any of the "doctored" versions. I'm sure there is far more shadow detail in the slide. I've used coolscans qute a bit and they don't pull shadow detail very well. Shadow detail that is excellent when viewed on the light box or as a projected image on a screen goes missing in the scan.
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There's a lot of detail in the slide, for sure -- I turn off most of the enhancement 'stuff' in the Nikon Scan software -- I'm going to experiment with it more this evening... I not convinced that shadow detail can't be pulled better than what I've done here... It's the learning curve for sure. I think the other issue may be the way I converted the color image to grayscale. I've been reading about using the Lightness channel in 'The Photoshop CS Book for Digital Photographers' -- it works pretty well -- but what I'm finding is there's several ways to skin the proverbial cat in PS... fun...
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Well, I basically worked on the harsh contrast and the reddish cast of your jpeg. <p>I first worked on <i>Image>Adjustments>Curves...</i> "nailing" the center of the linear gamma, then gently bending the upper (highlights) part of it downwards and the lower (shadows) part upwards, to make the whole curve slightly s-shaped. <p>Next I <i>Image>Adjustments>Color Balance...</i> took out the color cast by shifting midtones, shadows and highlights gradually towards the cyan side, slightly adding yellow to the midtones. <p>I then performed a <i>Image>Adjustments>Auto Levels</i> command since the pic still looked a bit washed out. I was quite pleased by that result, used <i>Edit>Fade Auto Levels</i> just a bit. <p>Then with the help of <i>Image>Adjustments>Hue/Saturation</i> I pushed the "Master" as well as the "Yellows" up a bit to make the flowers stand out. <p>In the end I attenuated the orange zone bordering on the blown out white wall by selecting it in <i>Image>Adjustments>Replace Color...</i> with medium "Fuzziness" and decreasing its saturation by a good amount. <p>I added a pass of <i>Filter>Sharpen>Unsharp Mask...</i> at 100%, 0.4, 0 but lastly faded that filtering down to about 50% again.<p>Since I had switched my Mac to a gamma of 1.8 before doing the adjustments the result could be saved and uploaded without alteration for Mac viewing. For PC viewing I saved a version through <i>File>Save for Web...</i> which has been pre-set to a gamma of 2.2 through the preferences.<p>I aimed at preserving the backlit, chiaroscuro mood, balancing the white wall and my interest in the features of the man, trying to make the terracotta floor and wooden table look as natural as possible and giving the flowers a discreet accent. <p>Cheers.
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Lutz,

 

You're a gem! Thanks for taking me through the steps -- it just shows me how much I have to learn in Photoshop -- I read every night I can -- but there's so much -- what I've come to realize is that it's important to know where to find the tools -- and experiment with them - much like I do with all my camera gear -- What you've done for me is highlighted the tools I need to get comfortable with -- and learn how they interact with one another... What I'm hoping to do is come up a with a nice workflow that I can use on each image -- I may or may not have to use every tool -- but at least I'll know how to use them when confronted with the need.

 

Thanks so much -- I really do appreciate your kind help.

 

Bob Smith

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You're welcome, Bob. PS is an incredible toolbox. I probably know just half of its contents and I have been practising for years... You best walk the steps described thru your own pic just to get accustomed to these basic routines that will most probably come in handy with every other pic. BTW, for dodging, burning and clone stamping I highly recommend getting a graphic tablet like one of the cheap WACOMs. It makes retouching much more intuitive and ergonomical. Have fun!
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