david_smith110

<p>Hi all. You may have noticed I haven't posted anything in a while. Simply made the decision that photo.net is just not a constructive place for me to spend time anymore. But, having said that, I haven't really felt right just walking away and not saying anything. There are many posters on here whose work I both greatly respect and am deeply awed by. There have also been many really good conversation thru the years as well. But, as with everything, time moves on.</p> <p>So for a final farewell post I will drop off a few recent photos for my last Mirrorless Monday. Sanford, thank you for your resilience in keeping this thread going week in and week out. So very few things can be depended on in this world so its nice to find something you can count on. I know both myself and many other posters have looked foward to this every Sunday or Monday, depending on their part of the world. (Sanford, I hope you forgive me as well if I post more then three...)</p> <p>To the rest of you, thank you for the photos and the memories. :)</p> <p>Various cameras, various old lenses...</p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/24530661724_0d3ed086f3_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1517/24644937842_a910da68d2_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1552/24395083909_1bfe9ac948_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1686/24804963442_47967e0fe2_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1667/24133414074_e1ee04b006_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1546/25135002566_ff8eb339db_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1536/25068087561_81f007c524_c.jpg" alt="" /></p>

<p>Eric don't shush me.</p>

<blockquote> <p>David, as this is not a mirrorless sensor I reckon the Sony forum would have been more appropriate, as otherwise it tends to come across as yet another of your myriad "Sony are so <em>totally</em> awesome" posts, which is why your posts attract the snarky comments, although you clearly know this. The Sony forum would be only too delighted to have had the post, I'm sure.</p> </blockquote> <p>Robin you know exactly how pnet is set up. I would have loved to have posted this in the MF forum, the Sony forum and the mirrorless forum. But people on this site have aneurysms if you post even remotely the same question in different forums. So I chose the most relevant post that I was interested in. Which is again what type of trickle down effect this may have on their <em>FF and apsc mirrorless sensors</em>. I was hoping somebody else would post info on the new camera in MF forum but I don't think anyone has yet. Funny, cause on other forums there is vibrant and lively discussion about this. But not on pnet. No surprise.</p> <p>And as for the Sony forum, if those guys would be so interested in it they why didn't you post it over there as a courtesy? I posted my question in the appropriate forum because I am interested in the <strong>mirrorless applications</strong>, not their DSLR applications. You know why? Because I don't care about Sony DSLR's. Oopps, so much for that Sony is awesome crap. Sony alpha mount is on life support and as far as I am concerned (and Sony from the looks of it) it would be nice for it to die a final death. And did you forget the myriad of times I have said I am waiting for a serious Canon mirrorless? Oh wait, you probably have.</p> <p>What is really at work here is the inability for DSLR crybabies to discuss in any type of objective way things that Sony is doing. I cant say 'Yay Sony' on this site without being called a fanboy. Eric actually asked why someone should drool over this sensor if they can never use it. What an amazingly stupid thing to say. Why drool over an original Moto Guzzi Le Mans, or Rene Zellweger, or the SR-71? Cause I can never afford those as well. Freaking ridiculous.</p> <p>The level of discussion on this site when it comes to mirrorless, Sony in particular, is just stupid.</p> <blockquote> <p>legit LOL at this. sounds like marketing copy. just completely lacking in objectivity and pragmatism. Overlooking the fact that we are not talking about a mirrorless sensor, which makes this entire thread misplaced, comments like these don't really address anything other than altruistic optimism (though gushing fanboyism works also). in reality, most people dont need a 100mp sensor. most dont need a 50mp sensor. along with that 'bigger arena' come built-in problems, like shutter vibration, ginormous file sizes, need for more memory, etc., which are all field-relevant. And since we're talking about a thing which few people on this thread will actually use, i guess we'll just be stuck with inner visions which havent come to full fruition. ;)</p> </blockquote> <p>Eric this is just dumb. But there you go again saying 'most people don't need..." In your earlier post you actually linked this camera to the great unwashed facebook hoards and others on Social Media while saying most people don't need it. Lol Lol Lol. You are indeed correct sir, most people don't need a 100mp MF sensor to post on social media. Kudos and thanks for pointing that out.</p> <p>But wait, compelling arguments arise. Ginormous file sizes and more memory will be needed you say? Well its my understanding that Moores law should be in effect for at least another 20 years. I have fond memories of my longtime friend who works at Microsoft building his first computer at home. I was there when he opened the box on his 20mb hard drive. I was so jealous. 20 megabytes! Unheard of....And then some years later I helped him build another top of the line machine and I watched as he gingerly unwrapped his 250 gig hard drive. Now as I sit here and type this there is an unused 1 TB external drive on my desk that I bought on clearance just cause and its gathering dust. Oh yeah, lets not forget the finger nail sized 200gig micro SD cards. Is all of this advancement in memory going to just stop tomorrow? No, and your foolish if that is your argument. More likely my 4 year old daughter will be using 250 Exabyte drives when she is my age. If it hasn't A) gone all cloud computing or B) we havenet blown it all up like in Planet of the Apes.</p> <p>And as for processing power apparently the files from this work just snappily if you use Phase's own Capture One software. But try running them thru lightroom or anything Adobe and they bog down. No surprise, because Lightroom and the rest of the Adobe suites have grown so bloated they are noticeably slower then other software on equal machines. I would link articles to this, but frankly I don't care.</p> <p>Not to long ago I actually argued about if we need 100mp or more. But after seeing the resolution from the 5DS and the A7RII (did he just reference a Canon? ....SHOCKER!) I started to loose faith in my own argument. After seeing the gorgeous resolution from the Phase One I realized more resolution is a good thing and my previous sentiment was wrong.</p> <p>But no surprise that I bring up a new sensor that Sony produced, arguably the most impressive piece of Silicon man have ever made for anything approaching mass market photography, and the second response is "Yeah...but Sony doesn't have any lenses!".</p> <p><strong>TLDR</strong><br> Eric don't shush me.</p> <p> </p>

<p>So terribly sorry, caught a flaw in my post above. Thanks to pnets inability to edit a post after a few minutes I have to correct it here.</p> <p> Should have said <em>.... As for how this entry can help them make <em>more compelling</em> photos that <em>communicate better</em>...well I am sure you understand Brad (and would give the benefit of the doubt to the shooters on pnet who also understand) gear does <strong>not</strong> make you take more compelling imagery and has no bearing on how your photos communicate.</em><br> <em> </em><br> <em><br /></em>Sorry for any confusion that may have caused.</p>

<blockquote> <p>To that I'd add and wonder whose photography here is somehow being limited with the gear they are currently using, and how this new entry would help them produce more compelling photos that communicate better.</p> </blockquote> <p>Ok Brad, you've convinced me. Lets revisit this.</p> <p>I am not being limited by the gear I use. If anyone on here is being limited by their gear then please speak up. Both Brad and myself would be interested in hearing it. </p> <p>As for how this entry can help them make <em>more compelling</em> photos that <em>communicate better</em>...well I am sure you understand Brad (and would give the benefit of the doubt to the shooters on pnet who also understand) gear does make you take more compelling imagery and have no bearing on how your photos communicate. These particular traits of a photo are fulfilled by the vision and skill of the artist/videographer/photographer who is creating the image/video.</p> <p>But since photography is a technologically based art and those tech boundaries are constantly being pushed further and further then we photographers become the beneficiaries of an ever increasing ceiling on what our gear can <em>do for us</em>. Compare a modern top of the line digital camera to one of only 10 years ago. The modern camera will not make you photos 'better', but the advances in tech will allow you to shoot with a much wider latitude (exposure, lighting, resolution, conditions) then you could ever dream of with the older camera.</p> <p>It is this wider latitude of capturability that allows artists to create images in a bigger 'arena'. It also has the potential to allow aspects of your vision to come to fruition in ways previously impossible. Sometimes a person is not even aware that such a limit make exist until a new ability allows your inner vision to imagine something possible that you did not even consider before.</p> <p>So maybe not 'limiting' Brad? But rather, what have you not 'been inspired' to yet?</p> <p>The sensor that Sony has produced by Phase One is so far producing images of astounding resolution and is an exciting new tool that some very well heeled photographers will get to enjoy. I also think this will benefit me in the future (if I stay with Sony) since there will be a trickle down effect to their FF and apsc camers, which I do use. I have said this numerous times before, I hope Canon has a winner on its hands when they release a serious mirrorless so I can switch back over. But Sony seems to be pulling ahead in the sensor game with every release and I wonder how this will play out in the next few years.</p> <p> </p>

<p>Actually Eric, I didn't gloss over his flaws. Go back and read the part where I agree that their selection and road map so far isn't perfect. I think people just forget how long it takes to flesh out a brand new system and when compared to what Canon did back in the day Sony isn't doing such a bad job.</p> <blockquote> <p>Perhaps you just wanted non-objective fanboy gushing over a sensor chip you'll probably never use?</p> </blockquote> <p>Never use? Not that particular chip no. But Sony users will benefit from what Sony learns from this chip from both a design and production perspective in future Sony mirrorless cameras so far as quality and time to market is concerned. There is no way this <em>cant</em> happen. For instance, Sony has designed and produced what is possibly the most advanced and powerful sensor ever released for public consumption. On the other hand Nikon has trouble getting sensors in its own cameras without outside help.</p>

<blockquote> <p>Question still stands...</p> </blockquote> <p>Then I suggest you post it in the relevant thread, because <em>this</em> one is about a great new sensor by Sony and how it may trickle down to effect their mirrorless offerings. The only one who has made any attempt to post in this vein is Brian Southward, who clearly doesn't think that it will have any trickle down effect. Thank you for your opinion Brian.</p> <p>Other then that is has been Edward and myself responding to the same old tired response to a Sony post. <em>Sonly lens selection, whaaaaahhh. Don't shush people and who needs that anyway, whaaaahhh. Yawn, I will only be impressed when somebody makes what I want</em>.</p> <p>And Robin...I'm still waiting for you to point out if this isn't a mirrorless camera then why is this post in the mirrorless forum. See above. :)</p> <p>So it went something like this...</p> <p>"Sony has a great new sensor"</p> <p>"They don't have any lenses"</p> <p>"Ummm, actually they do."</p> <p>"Don't tell him to shush"</p> <p>'Whaaaaaa....?"</p> <p>lololololololololol. pnet is so funny. :)</p>

<blockquote> <p>how many people really need...?</p> </blockquote> <p>And I stopped reading right there.</p> <blockquote> <p>and though Howard was shushed quickly...</p> </blockquote> <p>(I lied. I kept reading. In much the same way as you <em>have</em> to read thru divorce papers). Having a dissenting opinion and pointing out flaws in an argument is shushing someone? Interesting.</p> <blockquote> <p>To that I'd add and wonder whose photography here is somehow being limited with the gear they are currently using...</p> </blockquote> <p>Lol Brad, you always make me laugh. Who said <strong>anything</strong> about being limited by their gear? :)</p> <blockquote> <p>Is it mirrorless?</p> </blockquote> <p>I don't think so Robin, but to be honest I'm not a MF expert.</p>

<blockquote> <p>That may be the case but they have a sorely lacking lens lineup and roadmap and they also have a tendency to throw a bunch of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. I simply do not trust them for the long haul.</p> </blockquote> <p>Howard I'm gonna have to agree with Edward on this one. In a post some time back I compared the lenses Sony has released since the a7 was launched a little over 2 years ago to what Canon was able to bring to market in the same time back in the 80's when they ditched the FD line and started selling EOS lenses. The number was very close when you looked at OEM lenses but Canon did have the lead. When you factored in third party lenses it just about evened out but when you add in all the lenses that can actually be used on the a7 with adapters the Sony wins hands down. My point is that Sony hasn't actually done to bad with 'official' lenses in such a short time.</p> <p>Now having said that I do believe they could have done a better job, especially with some smarter focal length options and definitely on the cost side. Many of the lenses, while stellar performers, are very pricey. Where are the simple, cheap prime lenses for only a few hundred bucks, ala Fuji?</p> <p>But as for the long haul? Sony is in it to win it. They have turned around their financial troubles of just a few years ago in a most impressive manner. And digital imaging is one of the 'Three pillars' that Sony CEO Kaz Hirai listed as their core businesses, with games and mobile being the other two. I believe them to be firmly invested in digital cameras and their dominance of the digital sensor market places them in unique position that their competitors don't share. This latest 100mp beauty of a sensor produced for Phase One is just proof of that. Could Canon have made this sensor? Maybe. But they darn sure wouldn't have done it for somebody else. Could Nikon? Not a chance.</p> <p><strong>Bill</strong>, thanks for the link to that article. I was not aware that Sony was that active that long ago.</p>

<p>Sony just seems to have this whole sensor thing nailed down pat. I cant wait to see what they bring to FF 35mm and apsc in the next few years.</p> <p>http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/phase-one-announce-worlds-first-medium-format-camera-with-100-megapixel-sony-sensor/</p> <p>What a simply incredible sensor. The image files available look simply gorgeous. I may not be able to afford this camera anytime soon but the trickle down effects are gonna be great.</p>

<p>Same here Rick, not enough time to visit all the forums all the time. But I'm glad to see you here. You should have quite the selection of vintage lenses to use on your A7's.</p> <p>Anthea, I really like the tones on that photo. Nicely done.</p>

<p>Rick! Its good to see you posting over in the mirrorless forum. How are things over in Classic Manual? I don't hang out there much anymore unfortunately.</p>

<p>A7 with Minolta MD 35/2.8.</p> <p><em>for lethe, a forgetting...</em><br> <em><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5722/24028304086_610eb02486_c.jpg" alt="" /></em></p>

<p>NEX 7 and Holga pinhole lens.</p> <p><em>Humming the tune electric</em><br> <em><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/23428338303_80dc7d6d05_c.jpg" alt="" /></em></p>

<p>Lots of fog a few days ago. This one captured on a7 with Canon FL 55/1.2.</p> <p><em>frost and fear</em><br> <em><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5692/23966632461_5b7e0963e6_c.jpg" alt="" /></em></p>